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I'm at Old Tyme Italian [Cuisine, a restaurant] in Lynn, and I have the great honor of being joined today by George Chakoutis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nChakoutis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=18.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\n—And Tim Deegan. We are interviewing on behalf of the Mass Humanities Funded Project \"Through a Rainbow Lens: A Reflection on Lynn's LGBTQ + History.\" Can I confirm that I have your permission to record you today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=18.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=35.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nOf course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=35.0,37.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWe were just talking a little bit earlier about the fact that you guys have known each other for at least four decades. I'm wondering if each of you could just say a little bit about the neighborhood you grew up in and what your family was like? Perhaps, George, we'll start with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=37.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWe're a working-class neighborhood, you know? Single-family homes. My father worked for GE [General Electric] all of his life. [I] came from a family of six kids, and it was difficult. My mother was a little bit homophobic at the time. I was able to change her mind on that, and everything, as we grew. We never went without anything, but basic stuff's [what] we had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=55.0,85.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd was your family very religious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=85.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nNo. My family, we were never very religious. But they were all very....not gay-friendly, a lot of them, because it was a different time back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=87.0,99.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how about you, Tim? What was your neighborhood and family like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=99.0,103.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n[I grew up] down around the corner. My parents were older. My brothers and sisters were already graduating, and moving off to college, and getting married. Not many kids in the neighborhood. A kid that lived across the street from me growing up moved down to the end of the street across from George, and that's how I met George! We used to take my car and ride from Lynn to Newburyport. [We'd] just ride and ride, and ride. But he was talking about his mother, and she was a sweet woman. She was an Archie Bunker that turned into an Edith!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=103.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThat's quite a transition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=147.0,148.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah, yeah. Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=148.0,149.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, I didn't uh—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=149.0,151.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWhen I introduced her to John Barnes, who had HIV at that time. That was when HIV was like, \"Hands off,\" because that's when people were dying —when nobody knew about what was going on with HIV, when people were dying from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=151.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI lost a lot of, a lot of friends that were gay at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=167.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nAnd I had brought him in the house and she....—yeah [*in response to Tim*]. And I remember my mother saying, \"You need to stay away from him because of this.\" I said, \"It's because of people like you that create all the hate.\" When I said that to her, her mind changed and she welcomed him into the house with open arms after that, and everything. She used to come into the bar afterwards, after I bought the bar, she'd come in—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=167.0,187.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n—for lunch everyday!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=187.0,188.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\n—for lunch everyday with her friend, and got to meet all the people. It opened her mind of what gay people were. 'Cause, back then, everyone was, y'know....they showed people as feminine and [wearing] dresses. There was an image of what gay people look like, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=188.0,199.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIt was TV. It was black and white. It was what can and can't do on TV. Say, show—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=199.0,205.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd so, what years did each of you graduate from high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=205.0,209.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\n'83.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=209.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n'83, 10, 10. Boom trades (in reference to the October 10, 1983, peak of the Bull Stock market).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=211.0,215.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat's your earliest memory of your awareness of being gay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=215.0,220.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nOh, when I was thriteen, foruteen, I was playing around. I mean, I was playing around with people when I was thirteen, fourteen. years old. When I was in high school, I was having sex with the teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=220.0,234.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n—We'd take our bikes and ride all the way to Nahant, looking for a rock to hide behind!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=234.0,234.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nlooking for a rock to hide behind! looking for a rock to hide behind! looking for a rock to hide behind! I was having sex with a teacher, a teacher in school,at Lynn English. He used to....—if I slept with him, he'd let me skip class. And then he would follow us down the bar at night. We'd be down drinking at sixteen years old, and he'd come into the club to follow us and everything. He says, \"Oh, if you come in my car, I'll give you an A tomorrow.\" I said, \"Okay!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=234.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n(Pretending to be the teacher) \"You got any friends??\" [And I would say,]\"Hi, I'm over here!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=263.0,279.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThere must have been some period between when you knew you were gay, and when you acted on it. How early did you recognize that you were attracted to men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=279.0,280.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\n[My] teens, early. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=280.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI always knew it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=282.0,283.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nAlways, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=283.0,283.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nPeople told me before I knew what it was. That was just growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=283.0,290.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI never came out. I never even told anyone I was gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=290.0,295.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah! Me neither. Me neither.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=295.0,295.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI just lived my life the way I wanted to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=295.0,298.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nBut everybody always knew!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=298.0,298.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThere was no coming out story. I told my mother I was gay and everything. She just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=298.0,302.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n\"I'm gonna sit you all down and tell a story\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=302.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYeah. So if you were— if you graduated in '83, then you were quite young during the Stonewall riots, but the \"Gay Liberation Movement\" did play out throughout the '70s. Do you remember being aware of that at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=305.0,320.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nOh yeah, down in Fran's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=320.0,323.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nOh, it was bad down in Fran's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=323.0,325.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nThe way we got into Fran's, the way I remember was: [during] my first year at Lynn Tech, and around the corner was.....I think it was at East South. I went in there one day, and I was talking to Bob— that's how I met Bobby Brogna—He says, \"Come down after school. We'll have a drink and we'll talk about things.\" Then I met Frannie, Frannie Collins. This was my first year of high school. We could stay until six o'clock, or eight o'clock, at night, and we could only have vodka, or rum with Coke. It was all right to be there, but it was not all right to drink. [The] drinking age, I think, was 18 at the time. So, it was kind of iffy, but I remember stories at night of smoke bombs. There was a biker bar next door. Actually, there was one on each side. It wasn't a friendly neighborhood. It was not a friendly neighborhood at all. But it was [popular] still. Hundreds of people would go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=325.0,382.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThere was [the] Blue Note [Lounge]. 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There was people being beat up and smoke bombs being thrown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=391.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=395.0,396.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI remember being told to get down under the bar—we were on the back wall —I said, \"Just get down and stay there.\" And there was— Somebody [had] came in and it was a fight. It happened real fast. [There was] smoke, and everybody yelling and screaming. Then it was over, and then it was music back up. It was back to [usual. It was] almost like Studio 54, because that was big at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=396.0,417.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, there used to be people that would come in and just start yelling: \"Queer!\" And, \"Faggot!\" —and just slamming things. You'd have to watch leaving the door. They'd tell you, \"Leave with someone and be careful leaving. Make sure there's nobody around, so that you don't get jumped,\" and everything. And we always— I always said to him, \"Make sure you sit against the wall, facing the door, so you see what's coming in, and have your escape route planned,\" —so you'd know how to get out, in case something happens. So, we always sat with our backs against the wall near an exit, so we knew how to get out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=417.0,452.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI think we learned that from a mafia movie!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=452.0,454.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWell no, we learned that from the guy that ran Dominic's: Marco-Marco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=454.0,460.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI think he thought we [were] Catholics, because he always says: \"why is he not watching [the shows]?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=460.0,463.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, because it was problems all the time back then. You know? Back [then], in the '80s, back in the early '80s. There was a lot of trouble at Fran's Place, like with the Blue Note: big brawls all the time. The guys would come in, and start yelling, and screaming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=463.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWell it was a different neighborhood. It was all those big ol' factory buildings. [North Shore Community] College wasn't there. It was all empty and abandoned. I remember one night, it was a school night. It was Halloween. And we had to call our parents because we were having so much fun at Fran's Place that night. We were both in dresses, but we didn't— we just put a dress on. We were having the time of our life! We had to drive our car all the way to Central Square, Lynn, to the payphone, to [make a] call. [We had] to take our dresses off, go to the payphone, get back in the car, put the dressing back on, go back again, and get back to the party. 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Oh, she was a doll.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=519.0,520.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nFran would just— she was there Fridays and Saturdays. She would sit there Fridays and Saturdays, she would be there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=520.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nShe had her eye on the cash registers and the door at all times. She knew what was going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=525.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nShe sat at the same stool every day, and she was very welcoming to everyone, very friendly to everyone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=528.0,535.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nSame with Bobby. He was a sweetheart. He was a waiter on busy nights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=535.0,539.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, no. Fran was very nice to everyone, very nice to the gay community and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=539.0,543.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah. Very cordial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=543.0,543.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYou could go up, sit next to her, talk to her all you wanted and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=543.0,548.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how would you describe Fran's Place to somebody who had never been there before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=548.0,555.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nOh, you had to have gone there when Tony the Tiger did Christmas in July. There wasn't space in the whole place that wasn't decorated. Glitter and glitz, and just everywhere you walked, every pole [was decorated.] Because it wasn't a big open room, there was poles holding things up, they moved things around, and then here, then there. It changed over the lifetime that I've seen it. But every pole had a tree on it. I mean, it was.... Tony the Tiger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=555.0,589.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI mean, it was just— Fran's they were welcoming to everyone. You know, it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=589.0,593.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWho was Tony the Tiger?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=593.0,594.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nHe'll be here shortly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=594.0,594.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI think he was a manager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=594.0,595.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nHe was a manager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=595.0,596.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nHe was a manager at the time, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=596.0,598.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nAnthony Christopher—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=598.0,599.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=599.0,599.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\n—And he was known as Tony the Tiger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=599.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nAnd he always had the back section, [which] was for the older ladies and the couples. They always had longer tables, whether they were there or not. And the men were pretty much gathered around the restroom to the back of the bar. It wasn't like it was segregated, it was just like— that's just the way it was, I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=601.0,620.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat about in terms of like racial or ethnic background? Was it diverse?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=620.0,628.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nBack then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=628.0,629.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nBack then, I remember most of women were, were white. [The] women, y'know, were white.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=629.0,632.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, it was [diverse.] Yeah. It was more women than anything. It was more [of a] lesbian bar. It was always more a lesbian bar than anything. But it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=632.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nBut they accepted you. It was almost like, if you got their approval, you were coming in, you know? You're family. I dunno about people that weren't accepted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=639.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nBecause back then, that was the only place really. I mean, Fran's was the main place to go to. You did have the other gay clubs that opened up, but they would come and go and everything. And like, Marco-Marco was mostly a men's bar. Gay Blade was mostly a men's bar. Back in....I forget when Joseph's opened. [But,] Joseph's was strictly a men's bar. I mean, some lesbians went, but [the owner] wasn't too keen on the lesbians. He wasn't friendly to the lesbians. It was mostly a men's bar, Joseph's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=646.0,676.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah, he wanted to be a Napoleon for the North Shore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=676.0,678.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, because he used to bartend at Napoleon [Club, in Boston].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=678.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo, it sounds like the way you're describing Fran's, it was both a place of safety and security, but also a potential place of violence and vulnerability at times?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=682.0,695.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nBig time, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=695.0,695.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nOh, there could be a lot of violence there, but everyone knew that. But, it was like that everywhere, it wasn't just Fran's Place, you know? If you were gay back then, there could be violence. And he [*pointing to Tim*] got kicked in the head down in Central Square while we were waiting for a bus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=695.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n[I was] waiting for a bus, down by the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=706.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nSome guy came up to him, kicked him in the head and called him a fag.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=706.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nNo, in the chest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=709.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nOh, in the chest? And [he] called him a faggot. Good thing I was there to help you!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=709.0,717.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nHe ran away as fast as he could, that son of a bitch!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=717.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI came back though!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=720.0,721.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nAnd then I walked up Union Street, passed the Baskin Robbins, by the new McDonald's. And I got the bus and who's on the bus? The same group of kids, and I'm like, \"Oh no!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=721.0,733.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, so there was violence, could be violence anywhere you went. But like, in school you could get it too. I never had problems in school. I never got picked on. It was just.... I don't know. 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I just looked that way! Yeah, you were more feminine and more....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=752.0,755.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIt's like, you see somebody on TV and say, \"Yeah. Oh, he's gay.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=755.0,758.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI mean, I had my leather biker jacket, my long hair and everything. 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But the only time I ever heard anything come out of anybody's mouth [was] when we were watching TV. My father, we were watching a Western, and it was a scene where there was a gay Indian, obviously. Another Indian got let out of his tent after they were doing 'it'. And my father says, \"Oh, they had them back then, too?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=810.0,838.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nBut his parents were a lot older than mine, too. 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And they were, they were, they were done with kids pretty much. They were, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=854.0,858.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah. No, I never hid anything because my mother would know where to find us. She'd come to the gay bar to find us if we weren't home. 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People we knew were dying every day. Every day you'd walk in, there was somebody —somebody else died. You know, I don't know how many— they lost more employees, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=915.0,925.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nSomebody told me to be very, very careful, and that I was very young, that kid from the health [clinic]. I can see his face, but I can't remember his name. It was a wonderful wonderful guy. I don't know if he still works at the health center. He was one of the first people, and he told me what not to do. It saved my life. 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So we would do fundraisers for them, all the time, and events for them, all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1005.0,1035.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nDanny was involved with that group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1035.0,1035.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWe did a lot of community events for them, and everything. I was actually given an award by them, from them, for 'Businessman of the Year', for doing so much fundraising, and community outreach for them. Yeah. But, I don't think they're around anymore. Yeah, my friend Danny would know more about them, because he was very involved with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1035.0,1058.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat made you want to start your own bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1058.0,1061.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI just always wanted [to.] Ever since I was young, I always wanted to own a bar. And then, I was bartending at Joseph's at the time— I started bartending at Joseph's, and I said, \"I want to own my own place.\" Joseph wanted us to take over his place, but he wanted too much money for it. So then I started looking around with my partner, and we found 47 Central. It used to be Max's Pub. It was sitting there empty for two or three years, and we talked to Barry Calvani, who was the landlord, and we got a deal and we opened up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1061.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how does word get out that it's a gay bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1093.0,1098.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWe just told everyone, because everyone at Fran's Place knew [us.] Everybody knew me and Tim. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1098.0,1104.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWe were growing up with everybody that was still around. People move in and out of Lynn all the time, but there's always still a community. And so one person tells one person. Y'know? We didn't have a communicated statement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1104.0,1116.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI told the landlord, when we were buying it, I told him, I said, \"We're opening it up as a gay bar, do you mind?\" He said, \"I have absolutely no problem with that.\" I said, \"I just want to be honest.\" He said, \"No, that's fine.\" I'm sure he spread the word that it was a gay club, but we also ran advertisements. We ran a full page advertisement. I think we might have even ran something in the [Lynn Daily] Item [newspaper], at one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1116.0,1136.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah. The advertisement was on the gay paper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1136.0,1137.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIt was gay club. Yeah, but I think we had something in the Item.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1137.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIt was all Boston bars. I mean, there was so many bars around here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1140.0,1143.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah. But we had a lot of write-ups in the Item, because we were voted number one gay bar in the state. That was a big front page article of the Item.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1143.0,1151.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1151.0,1155.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWhat year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1155.0,1155.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n'98? 99?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1155.0,1155.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIt must have been like— No. We opened in '99, so it must have been around 2001, 2002 possibly. I forget what news station did 'The Best Of'. They did 'The Best Of' and they had a bunch of gay clubs, and most of them are Boston. Fran's Place was listed there, and we won.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1155.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n[*Quoting the article*]\"The 'Gay Cheers of the North Shore' was great!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1174.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah. We won best gay bar in the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1174.0,1178.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow was your bar similar to, or different from, Joseph's or Dominic's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1178.0,1185.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nMy bar was basically the same thing. The same type as Joseph's: a men's bar mostly. But, we were very welcoming to everyone. My thing was, to all the bartenders, \"I want you to know your customer's name.\" I said [to them that] it was very important for you to know their name. I said, \"They're coming in seven days a week, some of them. They know your name, you should know [theirs].\" Nothing means more to a customer, than if the employee actually calls you by your name, when you're coming in: like, \"Hi Drew, how was your day?\" It just means a lot to you, that they actually know who you are. You're not just a number to them. You're not just a tip to them. They actually know who you are. And [I told my employees] to pay attention to them, too. Don't just sit at the end of the bar talking with your friends. Acknowledge that they're there, and have a little conversation if you can. That's what people liked about it. And I also didn't take any....—any trouble that came in, we got rid of right at the door. People liked that about the place, because it was very safe for them. They could feel safe. They could sit there and know nothing was going to happen to them. They could leave their money on the bar, go into the bathroom, [and] know it was going to be there. They could leave their drink, [and] know it wasn't going to be drugged when they came back. They just felt very safe coming in there. And that was the difference between us and Fran's Place, I think. Because Fran's Place.....— It was, Fran's Place was a whole different bar than us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1185.0,1264.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIt was huge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1264.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIt was huge. Of course, you're going to have more trouble in a bar that holds four hundred people, than a bar that holds a hundred. It was just a whole different atmosphere. They were more a nightclub, we were more like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1265.0,1274.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n—A pub.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1274.0,1274.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWe were known as the 'Gay Cheers of the North Shore': where \"everybody knows your name.\" You know? We were a pub.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1274.0,1280.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWe had hamburgers and french fries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1280.0,1281.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid your clientele change at all over the fourteen years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1281.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nUhm. A little bit. We started getting more women as the years [went on,] and more drag queens [came in, ]and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1290.0,1297.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWe got a lot of more people from Boston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1297.0,1298.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, we would get a lot of people from Boston, which we didn't really think we would. But a lot of people—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1298.0,1302.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nThe DJs would come in with their friends. The radio station—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1302.0,1305.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nAnd even a lot of bars in Boston supported us. When we opened up, our grand opening night, we got sent a huge bouquet of flowers from 119 Merrimack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1305.0,1315.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nHad to rearrange the whole buffet table.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1315.0,1316.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nOne of the biggest bars in Boston sent us a big bouquet of flowers, for our grand opening night. They also would invite us there. They would do their gay pride block party, and they invited us there to advertise our club at their party, and everything. We had a very good working relationship with all the clubs in Boston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1316.0,1336.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat about the police? What was the relationship like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1336.0,1340.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nOh, we had a great relationship. We had a great relationship with the police.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1340.0,1344.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThey turned the bar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1344.0,1344.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThey loved us. I mean, we'd never had a problem with the police. We actually did a lot of fundraisers for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1344.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWasn't the first thing you did was, like, you used to make bunny rabbits and like sell them for like a dollar, or five dollars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1350.0,1358.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, and we'd sell things, and did fundraising.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1358.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWe'd sell paper. We'd trace out a stencil, and sell it for a donation, and put up, or at the bar, with the peoples name on it. All of a sudden, our whole place would be full. It was uhm.....what was his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1362.0,1371.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, because we did— Glenn Dunnigan, Office Glenn Dunnigan. I think he's a lieutenant now, or something. We did a lot of work with him. And he used to do the bike ride for the monument, for officers killed in the line of duty. We raised a lot of money for them. We were in the front page of the Item for it. They gave us an award for doing all the fundraising. But they— the whole time we were there, we'd never once got bothered by them. They loved us because we never had any trouble. We would go to the liquor board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1371.0,1399.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWe had to call them every now and again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1399.0,1400.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIf we went to the liquor board to request, maybe, [to] have a special party or something, the police would be there and they'd be, \"Oh, George runs a great place. Yes. No problem there.\" They loved us actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1400.0,1412.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nBut times [has]changed. I mean, that was a big span from high school to then. Things really changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1412.0,1420.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat were the police like when you were in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1420.0,1423.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nOh back then? The police were everywhere. I mean you'd always see a cop car coming around the corner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1423.0,1428.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nOh, the police were bastards back then, when we were in high school. They would beat the crap outta ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1428.0,1433.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI've seen them come in the front door, and Frannie would run up and talk to them. I mean, I don't know what the problems were, but that was more of a common thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1433.0,1444.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, but it wasn't so much that the cops were after you because you were gay. 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It was a whole different time back then because there wasn't cameras everywhere. They would, you know....they wouldn't arrest you, they'd beat the crap out of you. Some of the cops were really bad back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1448.0,1462.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nBack then, it was no— we didn't have internet, and all that. It was— After the bars closed, you either went to Lynn beach, down on the beach, where you probably get arrested or beat up. Or, you go out to breakfast at one of the many breakfast places that were open. Or, you would go to the Roast Beef store. Then you'd just hope that everything's okay. You can in droves so everything would be okay. Then, you'd have to worry about driving home. But then again, you're also drunk. Times were different back then. I mean, it was....it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1462.0,1497.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\n—Well, there was no drinking laws back then. 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How are you gonna going to work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1502.0,1508.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo, there were so many great gay and lesbian bars in Lynn. What do you think happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1508.0,1515.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWell, well, a lot of people died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1515.0,1516.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThere was actually only two, there was only......there was a lot of gay bars in Lynn, but none that really caught on. Marco-Marco lasted for a couple years, but they never really had the crowd that Fran's Place had. They were right up the street from Fran's Place, but Fran's Place was always more popular than them. I think it was more..... —I think was more [of] a cover for something, than anything else. It wasn't really like they were trying to do a business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1516.0,1547.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIt was like just a fake business. It's like they needed a front.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1547.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThey needed a front for something. So really.....—the only gay bars was the three of them. [It] was Joseph's, that lasted the longest. 47 Central, and Fran's Place. I would say those were the main clubs that really—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1550.0,1563.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nThey were a hell of a time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1563.0,1563.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, that you would know about. The rest of them were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1563.0,1566.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n'Cause Fran's has been there for....since the '40s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1566.0,1568.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWhat? Seventy five years? Eighty years? Yeah. [It] was the oldest gay club in Massachusetts, at the time. They opened up as The Lighthouse Lounge. And they also had— When Fran's Place first opened, they had a button at the door, where they would hit it and the lights would flash. So if you were dancing man-and-man, women-and-women, they would hit the button and it would flash. You would have to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1568.0,1589.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n—I didn't know about that! I didn't see that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1589.0,1589.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIf you were a man, you'd have to grab a female. If you were, you know....—you had to mix it up. 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Yeah. Her husband was killed in The Lighthouse actually. Frannie's husband was killed there. I'm almost 100% sure that her husband was— wasn't he killed in the? I think he was killed in The Lighthouse, and then she ran it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1607.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you know the story behind his death?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1621.0,1625.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI don't know the whole story. I bet Tony the Tiger would know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1625.0,1630.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nOh, he'd know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1630.0,1631.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nHe'd know. Yeah, I'm almost positive. I'm positive that he— that something happened to him inside the bar there. But, that was probably back in what? The '40s, '50s? You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1631.0,1644.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nAnd back then, there was so many golf courses around. Even that brought women in the area. So, that had a need for where...where they were going to go. I was watching Ratched, [a] Nurse Ratched miniseries, and there was a lesbian part, where, out in California, they go off to this one place that was up in the Redwoods. That's where the women went. And I said, \"Well that's kinda like [what] The Lighthouse Lounge was.\" It was like a getaway. It was a big drawrer of people in the area, because of all the golf courses. They had a need for it, and Frannie was there to.... She noticed that more women were coming, and [she] wanted to make sure that they were welcome. It was a great business, and they just grew from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1644.0,1691.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nBut you were asking why the clubs aren't really around anymore. too. I think it's because....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1691.0,1696.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThe closing being at two o'clock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1696.0,1697.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWell, the closing time affected it, too. But I think a lot [of what] affected [the bars] was the internet. People didn't need to go out to clubs anymore. You had Grindr, [and] had all the different dating apps. People would just do that and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1697.0,1711.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nOh, yeah. There's no—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1711.0,1712.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThere was no need for people to go into a club anymore. People just....the atmosphere changed and everything. 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When I sold the place, and closed the place down, [people were] like, \"Oh, we loved it! Why did you sell it? We have nowhere to go now.\" It's like, well, you know, \"If you came when we were open, we'd still be open.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1722.0,1738.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYou shoulda come down here, now and again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1738.0,1738.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nPeople don't realize.....you know? And they get older, they get their jobs. And a lot of the gay marriage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1738.0,1745.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nThey find somebody, they settle down. They don't need to get out looking for somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1745.0,1746.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nAnd they have kids now, and they have family. They have family now, too, so....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1746.0,1750.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWell, they go to school. They move away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1750.0,1755.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou mentioned that you hadn't, generally, been all that political. Did you follow the movement on behalf of marriage equality, in that sense?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1755.0,1767.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI remember being in P-Town [Provincetown] when....the night it passed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1767.0,1772.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, but did you follow it? Were you like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1772.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWell, I was— you hear it with everybody around. It's like.....—it's not like you [could] get on the computer, and follow it, at the time. It's like— it was like the town crier, so that's kind of following it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1774.0,1787.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1787.0,1788.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nAnd at midnight, this woman, she was a preacher, she— I don't have her name, but I can see her face. She blew this conch shell at midnight, to celebrate [in] Provincetown. It was like the first place in the nation that— y'know, it was on the news. I have that shell, actually. She gave it to me that night, when the bar was open, and she wanted to make sure it was safe. I never knew what to do with it. So, it's in a box that I won't get broken in. That's the story for the camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1788.0,1821.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nI never followed it. I never believed in marriage anyways. [I didn't believe] in straight marriage, gay marriage— any marriage. I just didn't feel like.... what was the need for marriage anyway? Two people are together. You know? A couple is a couple, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1821.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah. My idea of gay marraige was like: \"Well, who's gonna wear a wedding dress? Do you have to wear a wedding dress?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1835.0,1843.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIt was a big thing when it passed, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1843.0,1845.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you remember how you felt when it was passed? —Even if you might not choose to get married yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1845.0,1850.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI thought that it was really good because it's like..... I don't know if we want to call it the law, but in my mind it was a law and that it was okay—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1850.0,1858.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWhen did it pass?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1858.0,1859.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n—that you would have the same benefits as somebody else, that's in the same kind of relationship as the opposite: a boy and a girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1859.0,1867.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nAlso, like, if your partner gets sick and you're married, you have the right [to see them.] Back then, if you couldn't get married and you were together with someone for thirty years, and they were in the hospital, the family could say, \"No, I don't want him to see him.\" You have no right to go see the person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1867.0,1882.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI was with William, and he was dying in the hospital of AIDS, and I couldn't even go in the hospital [to see him]. \"How are you related?\" —He's black.— \"And how are you related?\" \"Well, I'm his partner.\" \"Well, you have to be a family member.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1882.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1890.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWell, I'd been with him for five years. I don't know. But the VA [Veteran's Affairs] hospital didn't have a problem at all. I'd go up there every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1891.0,1903.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou both lived through quite a bit of the heyday of these gay bars, the men's health crisis and HIV, marriage equality, starting your own bar. What would you want this generation of LGBTQ people to most know about your generation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1903.0,1932.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nJust for everything that they fought for. I know it's a very controversial issue. It's just, like, the younger generation being called queer and everything, I really don't agree with. How many people got beat up being called queer and everything? They say [that] they want to reclaim the word. Well, why do you want to reclaim the word? Get rid of the word. Don't reclaim it. Just get rid of it. You don't need it. I think it's bringing— it's hurting the gay community, I think. It's bringing it back twenty years. It's bringing it back to what it used to be, because now there's so much hatred now towards the gay community again. I don't think..... like ten years ago, there wasn't this hatred towards the gay community. I don't know if it has to do with Donald Trump, with the president, and he gave people the right to hate, y'know, he made hate acceptable. I don't know if that has to do with it? But, it is bringing it back. There's more hate to the gay community right now than there was. Don't you think so? Than ten years ago?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=1932.0,2001.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2001.0,2002.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIt has to do— I know people don't agree with me —it has to do with a lot of the transgender issues. I believe in the transgender issues, but I think they push it too far sometimes. And like [what] I spoke to you about: doing that thing on the White House lawn, where they're exposing their breasts. It's not proper by anyone to do. Whether you're a straight woman, whether you're a woman that does it, that's not the place to do it. You're not helping yourself by doing that, you're hurting yourself. There's people that were your allies [that] are [now] looking at it and saying, \"Come on, that's too much.\" And then, they want to push all the pronouns on people. The straight community is like, \"What are you talking?\" I do Uber, so I talk to people all the time, and we talk about these— because I love talking politics to people —and I feel them out, to see where they're coming from. They all agree with me. It's too much. It's like people that want to be called they / them, and all these different things. It doesn't make a lot of sense to a lot of people. I know they think it does, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2002.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI've began to realize that everybody has their 'stands', and what they go through. I remember going through it, and saying—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2070.0,2072.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, but I think they go on—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2072.0,2077.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n—\"Oh my god, that boy George better behave.\" \"Oh, you can't behave like that.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2077.0,2077.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, but can you see yourself calling somebody 'they'?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2077.0,2080.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWell, that was then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2080.0,2080.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nCan you call somebody they and them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2080.0,2083.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIf it was a group, I'd say they.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2083.0,2085.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nIf it's a single person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2085.0,2088.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\n\"Hi, how are you?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2088.0,2089.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWould you call them they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2089.0,2091.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIf that's what their name was or they had a tag.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2091.0,2093.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nNo, it's just....you know? Also, now companies are making you ask \"What [are your] pronoun[s?\" I went to change— I called Blue Cross Blue Shield, because I got a new plan, and they're like, \"Oh, and what pronoun would you like to go by?\" You know? Now they're asking what pronoun you want to be called, and everything. You got to answer all [that.] It's like, just....you know.......I said, \"I don't care what you call me, just make me an appointment.\" I think it's just gone too overboard. And another thing: it's like— this is very controversial. But like I said, I don't mind speaking about it, because I think more people feel this way, but they're afraid to say it because they know they're gonna be beat up for it: the men getting pregnant. A man can't get pregnant. A Transgender male that gets pregnant is a female that got pregnant before they became a transgender male. If you want to be a transgender male, you shouldn't be having babies. If you want to be a real male, don't have baby —because I can't have a baby. You can't have a baby. He can't have a baby. By them putting these in cupboards, and a male having a baby, people are looking at it like, \"What the hell are you talking about?\" You know what I mean? It's just not going through to the average person. [They're] like, \"What are they talking about? This is all crazy stuff,\" and everything. I think if you want to be a transgender male, go all the way —and don't have the babies have it before you transition. That's my opinion, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2093.0,2194.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nIf you wanna be a man, be a man. If you wanna be a girl, be a girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2194.0,2197.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nThat's it. Go the full way. A man can't have babies. There was this politician that said.... —Vivek Ramaswamy. He's very controversial, I don't know if you've seen who he is. [He is] thirty seven years old. He's a Republican, but he has some really outrageous views. You know? He's pretty far out there. But, he did have a good point. He said, they asked him about the sexes. He said, \"When you're born, there's two sexes. There's male and female. As you grow older, what you choose to be is up to you. But there's only two sexes when you're born. There's male, there's female. And then as you grow, you can decide what you want to be.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2197.0,2247.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nTim, it sounds like, based on my reading your body language and facial expressions, that you're a little more okay with some of this flexibility, in terms of identity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2247.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI'm very okay with it. I've seen a lot of it growing up. Different generations have a different way of doing things. I mean, I'm almost sixty years old. [If] that's how they feel, well that's how [they] feel. But I personally......\"faggot\" And uh.....—What was the other one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2259.0,2281.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nQueer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2281.0,2282.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nNot really queer. Faggot, and... there was another word. It's just like the N word, or the C word to a woman. Personally, that's what it was like back then. That was very derogatory for a class of people, just by who they were. [It was] like religion, ethnic, whatever it is. So, them and they, if you want to be them or they, that's who you want to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2282.0,2317.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nYeah, but you don't think that makes the straight community look at us and say, \"What are you people, nuts?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2317.0,2324.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWell, first of all, with the straight community thing, I don't think.... it's really not for me to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2324.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"George Chakoutis\n\nWell, even a lot of the gay community feel the same way. The older gay community feel the same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2330.0,2334.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nI know that's how you feel, though. That's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2334.0,2339.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, this has been a great conversation. In part because of some of the contrasting views, but George, I know you have a party that you need to host shortly, so I'm just going to ask my last question: What, if anything, would you want this younger generation of gay and lesbian people to know, or to appreciate, about the era of these three, or more, great bars in the United States?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319#t=2339.0,2372.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/119457/file/224319/transcript/68896/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tim Deegan\n\nWhat a lot of good times. A lot of fun times. 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