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My name is Andrew Darien. I'm a Professor of History at Salem State University, and I'm conducting this interview as part of the Mass Humanities funded project \"Through a Rainbow Lens: A Reflection on Lynn's LGBTQ+ History.\" I have the honor of being joined today by Steve Sklavounis, also known affectionately as \"Steve the Greek.\" Steve grew up in Lynn, is a 1970 graduate of Lynn Classical, and he now lives in Lynnfield. Can I confirm that I have your permission to record this conversation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=0.3,39.06"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e You have my permission.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=39.16,40.24"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Terrific. So you were born in Beverly [and] raised in Lynn by your grandparents? Can you tell us which neighborhood you grew up in and what it was like? West","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=41.1,52.28"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Lynn. The other side of the commons was the Brickyard. [It] was everybody from all kinds of different countries and everything— that was called the Brickyard. I don't know if anybody's done history on that. But I was on the other side of the commons, [with] my grandparents, we owned nurseries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=52.28,67.7"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e You mentioned it was a diverse community. Where were people from who had settled there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=69.14,75.74"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Greek, Italian, people from Ireland, Polish people. I don't remember in the neighborhood, but a lot of Greeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=77.84,85.94"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What did most of the people who lived in that community do for work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=86.82,91.98"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the shoe factories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=92.22,93.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me a little bit about your relationship with your grandparents. 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It'd be like this: two thousand pots of flowers at five years old. You move them one by one. We were open 365 days a year. 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My grandparents married because my grandfather walked across Boston Street in Salem and said, \"Mae, how are you?\" She said, \"Fine, Pete, having a nice day.\" And just kept walking because [if] she acknowledged him, she [knew she] had to marry him. Fact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=146.98,164.74"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e So he was very persistent? 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Odds of the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=170.5,174.66"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it correct to say that you were closer to your grandmother than your grandfather?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=176.46,181.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Closer to my grandmother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=181.72,182.72"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e She sounds like quite a force of nature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=183.6,185.78"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Very hard working woman, used to decorate all downtown Lynn, all the light poles, everything. That was her job— the crews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=187.12,192.934"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you aware that it was unusual to start working at age five?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=195.16,201.154"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was something you had to do. I'm sure like in Maine, people picked potatoes when they were little. They were on the potatoes, you know, [just] things they had to do. It's just things you did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=201.94,212.66"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Was there ever a point in which you were paid for your work or were you just always doing this as part of the family labor? 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Never had to get punished. I just did what I was told. Maybe because I'm a Virgo too. And I always looked at it, as young as I was, [that] they raised me—chose to— raise me. They didn't have to do that, so I respected that. And I was raised, \"Yes sir.\" \"Yes, mam.\" \"No Sir.\" \"No Ma'am\". Speak when you're spoken to. [If it was an] adult conversation, leave the room. 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My","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=279.68,287.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e mother was there randomly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=287.62,288.76"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What was her story?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=289.22,292.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e [She] Married my father, met him in the Greek Navy— married my father. I think he married her because of the money to get into the country— I believe that. I think he left like around 1954. I was maybe three or four, but I never lived with him. So he left with— took off with— a lot of my grandma's money to my knowledge, and supposedly opened a restaurant in New York. And later on, another restaurant— a Greek restaurant in California. No contact. Maybe once over the years, [when] I was like maybe ten, [he] showed up for a couple of weeks. Not interested, [he was] nothing to me. Anybody can have children, that doesn't make you a parent. My grandparents were my parents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=294.84,332.18"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. How did you first get the nickname \"Steve the Greek?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=333.24,338.361"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Because my name is Stephanos, [sic] Stevie Sklavounos. Write that in the first grade. 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Didn't want to learn to speak Greek. They wanted me to speak Greek. 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Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=382.92,394.96"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=394.96,395.14"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e that change at all in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=395.14,397.22"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was supposed to take over the florist business and redo the nursery when I graduated. [Then] go to Salem State College [for] school and, or, get a job with the General Electric, because the president of the General Electric was friends with the family. And I said to my grandmother: \"Never [say] no.\" When I got my report card [during] my sophomore year, she looked at the report card with like sort of, maybe, a look of horror on her face and she's seen my report cards with all C's and D's. So she said, \"Are we going to discuss this after supper?\" If I never mentioned it again, it would have never been brought up again. After supper I said, \"I'll meet you in the den.\" I met my grandmother in the den and she said, \"What are we going to discuss?\" I said, \"I'm going to ask you several questions, you can only answer the questions 'yes' and 'no' to me.\" I said to her, \"Do you care where the Amazon River is?\" She looked at me and she said, \"No.\" I said, \"Neither do I.\" I said, \"They want me to learn Spanish in school. Why am I learning Spanish? I'm an American. I don't need to learn Spanish. I'm Greek. I was a Greek altar boy for years, went to Greek school. Did I learn to speak Greek? No. Did I learn to write Greek? No. You, daddy, my mother, my aunt all speak fluently, but you don't speak it in the house. The only time you speak it fluently in the house [is] when those three horrible people want money from you\"—and the Greek word is 'leftá' for money, so the word 'leftá' always came in the conversation. So I said— I asked her several more questions— so I said, \"That's why I have C's and D's.\" I graduated and I went on to buy like thirteen pieces of property.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=397.8,493.94"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Had you been a stronger student before that report card? Was that the first time? Probably,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=495.56,501.14"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=501.14,501.64"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e You started to lose interest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=502.68,504.74"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not interested in the Amazon River. I don't want to speak Spanish. I live in America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=504.84,509.94"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e So what was the first job you had out of high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=511.9,516.419"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Out of high school? Oh, \"Alcoholics and Drug Addicts.\" I'm not an alcoholic or a drug addict. We started in Green Street in Lynn, one room. Brantley Blair was the boss, Thomas Cotfield and myself. We started with one room, and they gave us a station wagon. It was called the van and I'd drive people to different detoxes, and at that point I didn't weigh 120 pounds. So, guns, knives, barrels through windows. Then we had nine beds for street people and that's where that all started in Green Street in Lynn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=517.28,551.56"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a heck of a job coming right out of high school. Did you know somebody or did you have a particular attachment to working on this issue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=552.18,561.6"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e The—Thomas Cotfield was my mother's second husband, he had got sober. I never lived with him, that's why I went to work there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=564.16,572.06"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e At what age did you first start going to bars?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=572.62,579.06"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Ironically, my mother is a gambler—was a gambler— and she used to work at Dory Shoe, and to my knowledge, from what I know now from then, a lot of the lesbians that worked at Dory Shoe would go to The Lighthouse to play cards in the back room. Franny Collins and her husband owned The Lighthouse back then. So, we had to go with my mother on, like, one Saturday a month. I'd sit at the bar with Franny, have a Coke, and my mother would be in the back room gambling, unbeknownst to my grandmother. So, [let's] go back, if I was born in '51, I'd say the first time [I was] in The Lighthouse [was in] '59.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=580.84,618.742"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Presumably you were not drinking at The Lighthouse at that age? No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=620.82,624.28"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e coke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=624.28,624.78"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember when you had your first drink, or when you first started drinking at bars?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=624.96,630.3"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e It's probably The Lighthouse. Don't forget, back then you could drink at eighteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=633.62,639.629"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=639.92,640.42"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e The drinking age was eighteen, and then when I turned twenty-one it went back to twenty-one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=640.76,645.203"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e How would you describe The Lighthouse to someone who had never been there before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=646.1,653.26"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, sort of a dive-y place. Franny was famous for only having three barstools, so if you wanted to sit down when you went out for the evening, or part of the evening, you had to get there because Franny would not buy barstools because people broke everything. That was her thing. She wasn't spending unnecessary money. Then it got to the point you had women throwing rolls of toilet paper in the toilet, so Franny would be at the end of the bar and [when] you went to the ladies room you got three squares—and I probably shouldn't be saying this on camera, there'll probably repercussion[s], but that's the way it was. Franny was money and it was a business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=655.08,693.26"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Why were people destroying the barstools?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=695.6,697.9"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Just things people do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=698.3,699.86"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Like, was there... A","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=700.14,701.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e lot of fights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=701.52,702.38"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What were the fights about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=703.14,704.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Just in general. You talk[ed] to my girlfriend. Fran's was more a lesbian bar back then. And they didn't consider them lesbians back then, they were basically called 'dykes' —and the issue is they'd start fighting, somebody would smash a beer bottle in a bar and go after the other one. I've witnessed that numerous times many years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=704.54,721.02"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What is your understanding of the difference between a lesbian and what you're calling a dyke?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=722.08,728.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think they're [bar-goers] more refined now. I think they sort of better[ed] themselves, you know what I mean? Not attacking, and fighting, and fist-fighting, and breaking pool sticks and stuff. But that was a term years ago, that's what they called it. There wasn't a word 'lesbian', really, back then that I can remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=728.86,744.74"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm guessing when you were eight, and for some time thereafter, you were not aware that that was a lesbian bar? Or did you know? Never","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=745.76,755.28"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e paid attention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=755.28,756.06"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e At what point did it register to you that that's who was going there? Maybe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=757.06,760.76"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e at twelve.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=760.76,761.501"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e A little bit later. It sounds like you also continued going back there on your own, independent of your mom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=762.44,770.64"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I became really friendly with Frannie, the owner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=770.74,774.06"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What did you like about the place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=774.24,776.06"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Just I enjoyed Frannie. It was just sitting, talking, gabbing 'bout what was going on. Different people came in I knew, I'd say \"Hello\", that was it. Then I started going in town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=776.92,785.72"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What was Frannie like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=787.64,788.94"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Nice woman. Very business. Her son Bobby was always with her at the bar, sort-of kept an eye on things that was going on at the bar. And Frannie was Frannie. She'd listen to anybody's problems. She'd have some of Lynn cops come in, they'd be drinking, fighting with their wives and things, you know, and arguing. Frannie would sit there listening, so it'd be like, you know, the cop's therapy sessions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=789.78,810.72"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so she's like the classical bartender/armchair therapist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=811.26,816.48"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Just mother of everything, yep. The younger kids, she sort-of took them under [her] wings, watched what they did, made sure if anybody was drinking somebody got them home or something—even though you didn't have what you have today like Ubers and things, but make sure somebody gets somebody home, take car keys away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=816.6,832.16"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel like she was a mother figure to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=832.92,835.46"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe. She's well-respected, as far as I'm concerned, through me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=835.52,840.36"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember the kinds of things you would talk about with her that she helped you with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=841.08,846.24"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe issues with my mother, which didn't mean anything to me. But, I was going to the bar, Thanksgiving— here we go—Thanksgiving of maybe '60, '61, '62, my mother chose the night before Thanksgiving— my mother chose to empty a gun out into her husband, Thomas Cotfield. 'Tiny' [Thomas] took five or seven bullets, but she shot him with love, so he took five or seven bullets. Friends of the family came to the house, friends of my grandmother's, she threw $50,000 cash on the table [to] my grandmother for attorneys, and they removed me from the home. The only reason I went back to school [was] because it was my mother's second marriage, [so] she never had custody of me and [the custody report] wasn't my name. Otherwise, I would have never gone back to school. So there was a trial, she went to prison for a year. He [Thomas] got out of the hospital. They went back together—but he took five or seven bullets, and that's how he ended up working in the alcohol field because 'Tiny' became working there and he ended up running the Cromby Street Shelter, I think, for years in Salem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=848.2,920.1"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Where were you when you were removed from the home temporarily after this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=922.36,927.1"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, friends of the family took me to their house for a couple of days, 'til things quieted down, because my grandmother had to get money to bail my mother out. I think she was at the house the day after Thanksgiving, so she was home there for a while until it went to trial. That","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=927.56,945.6"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e seems like that would be a pretty traumatic event in one's life. Have you thought much about how it's affected you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=945.6,953.8"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it made me a stronger person 'cause it didn't relate it to me, because she never raised me. It's like you saying \"The neighbor shot their dog.\" It's like, my grandparents were my parents. My mother and father, even though my mother was always around, [was] nothing to me. I mean, I supported her. I mean, she was a bad gambler. Anybody knows that. $50,000 casino marks, $40,000 in the bookies. I took over all of that. 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When she married Tiny, he was the drinker. So that was like a horror scene for the family [where] nobody drank. I mean, I go to a wedding have two or three drinks and they'd look at me like what are you doing? Grandparents don't even take a toast at a wedding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=996.3,1015.68"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e And how much of a drinker were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1017.74,1019.84"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Went out clubbing every night, I drank every night. Didn't club, you didn't drink.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1020.6,1024.14"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e But within moderation? 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Did you go there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1029.619,1034.56"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Dominic's. His wife, Judy, ran the bar and her mother would be there a lot and Dominic would be in there. They had Dominic's, Marco Marco, I think, Tammany Hall, and I think there could have been another bar. So between them— and I think Judy maybe held the licenses on the other son instead of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1035.02,1055.24"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What's Judy's last name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1055.34,1056.96"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Serino. Dominic Serino and Judy Serino.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1059.1,1061.82"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Were those bars similar to one another? Do they all have a different feel, different clientele?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1065.82,1071.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Marco-Marco's I think was bigger, triple the size of Dominic's, itself, the original. I don't know which bar had which name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1075.84,1083.54"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e And how about Joseph's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1086.76,1088.38"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Joseph's was on Oxford Street. Very not wide, very narrow bar, [I] went down DJ. We used to go watch that Canada series, 'Queer as Folks', whatever it was on, we'd all get together and watch the series at the bar. That was a bar thing to do. I think they threw my 50th birthday party down there. Because I may have been on the outs at Frans, maybe somebody was mad at me, so I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1089.56,1115.96"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e And you described Franz as mostly a lesbian bar. Were these other bars primarily gay men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1117.28,1124.66"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1125.04,1125.54"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e What would you say to this current generation about the value, or the importance of these bars in your. and the other people's, lives who you met with there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1130.66,1146.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you have the internet. I cannot imagine meeting somebody and hooking up with somebody on the internet. I don't understand that. It's like, at least at the bar, you've seen somebody you wanted to do something— if somebody wanted to do something —at least you see the person who you're gonna meet. I mean, I've never understood hooking up, going to the beach or doing any of that. I just don't understand that. That's not a lifestyle I ever lived, so I can't go by. And I know a lot of people that did that, and I don't understand that they weren't scared like a prostitute, getting murdered and stabbed and shot. I mean, there's crazy people out there. But I think it's the thrill of jeopardizing their safety, I think it's the thrill. It's like, you look at a congressman, he gets a young girl and takes her across the state, he knows what he's doing! You gotta be crazy! It's like you want to get caught.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1147.8,1193.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Were these places that you felt safe and comfortable?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1197.04,1201.16"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Always, always. Any troubles like— I used to go to the other side in Boston, and when it was election time the Boston police and their squads would be raiding the bars, so you'd like at the other side you'd hear, \"Raid!\", the lights would be flashing off and on. There were side doors, you would get out, [and] you'd walk around the building and stand in front of the parking lot with all the police, say, \"Oh, what's going on in there?\" because you just went out the back door. And as soon as they took off, you went back in again. But it was always during election time, they had to prove their point, which I don't understand. Nobody was in there bothering anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1202.52,1235.24"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, you might answer this differently if we're talking about Boston or Lynn. But, would you say in general that the police harass the gay population, or [would] they learn to work with the owners and find some agreeable accommodations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1236.06,1252.32"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Lynn, I never remember the cops coming in unless they were looking for somebody. Boston, like I said, during election time, if you were in town there'd be raids. I think there was just maybe a quota, you know, they could look like they're doing, you know, —because don't forget, Jocks is still in Bay Village today, Jocks, has a cabaret license. A lot of women have their bridal night out and they go to Jocks for the drag show and everything, and Jocks has been there probably sixty years too, that long, I would think. Easy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1254.14,1286.88"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e And drag was a pretty important part of Fran's, wasn't it? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1288.66,1292.72"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1292.72,1293.4"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have any particular memories of performers or drag events?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1295.02,1299.84"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Melinda Wilson, she still performs. She does Patti LaBelle, Eartha Kitt, Dionne Warwick. I swear that's who she is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1300.2,1307.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, she's wonderful. We interviewed her a couple of weeks ago. We were at the reunion and I interviewed her there. Do you have any idea about why the bars are all closed now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1307.72,1321.78"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the internet. In Lynn, they changed. They rolled back the hours. And even though Forty-Seven and Fran's did not get along as bars, which made no sense to me, everybody got together. We all went to the city hall meetings, because people didn't realize it did not just affect the bars. We went because like Bob Goddette, that owned The Porthole, everybody was involved. Because if you're working at the GE from three to eleven, by the time you go home, shower and change to go out for a drink, if the bar is closing at one, you're not going to go. When they had all the meetings at City Hall, bar owners went, restaurant owners went, a lot of the waitresses from The Porthole because they were interfering in everybody's money. But they still did it, so I think that killed a lot of the bars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1321.8,1366.36"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e How aware or involved were you in the evolution of gay politics in America? I'm guessing, You know, when the Stonewall Revolution happened, you were probably eighteen or nineteen years old. Do you have any memory of that, or what would come to be called the Gay Liberation Movement? Too busy clubbing. What about the HIV crisis in the 1980s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1368.5,1400.14"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of people down the bar. So if you can do a memorandum doing these interviews somehow, you can't put names in, I know, but I mean, I can name fifty people right off the top of my head. It was really bad for the longest time there. And it's not counting just the gay people that went into the bar. A lot of people from Lynn, they're on drugs, passed of AIDS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1400.82,1419.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm. You must have lost some close friends during that period. 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No","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1434.62,1436.78"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e longer alive. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1436.78,1437.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e think it's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1437.5,1438.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the ones that I know from the bar: Jamie Buclea, George Strahan, George Canaccio, Cliff that worked at the door— this is all from Fran's —Tina Thomas [who] was one of the drag queens, Loren, Dolores Royce, Brian McMillan, you can go on and on and on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1439.06,1461.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did that energize you to get involved in any kind of activism to spread knowledge about health practices, or get the community the support that they needed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1462.96,1477.16"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Not with the community, but St. Stephen's Church was doing a dinner, I think it was Friday night a week for a few years, for people that were HIV positive. Virginia, the minister and her husband, myself, Connie Duncan, and two other women that were married— I don't know if they were married at the time—we were doing the dinner for people that had HIV. Ironically, the minister died, the minister's husband died, one of the women that was volunteering was killed in a car accident right after she had a baby—their relationship had a baby, excuse me. And everybody that we were helping that was HIV positive was all alive. So out of six of us, three died. See, nobody knows what tomorrow brings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1477.48,1529.48"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember being scared for your own welfare at the time? No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1530.78,1535.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e no, never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1535.5,1536.24"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Why is that? Because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1537.5,1538.76"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I never slept around so that never entered my mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1538.76,1544.16"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did any of the bars get involved in AIDS activism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1544.54,1549.46"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Not to my knowledge. I know [at] Fran's we did the \"Night of a Hundred Stars\" and the money, I think, went to like a halfway house [for those] with AIDS, maybe, and we helped a few other places, and that was the day after Thanksgiving every year, so they were involved that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1551.88,1566.22"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e For those people who are not familiar with it, do you want to explain what the \"Night of a Hundred Stars\" was? All","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1566.9,1572.28"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e female impersonators entertained. The money from the door at the bar, and all the tips and everything, went to whatever they were going to donate the money to. They had a ho—there's a homeless shelter on Baker Street for women and children, now I think it's co-ed, so we did gifts for all the kids in there and everything. We always did that. Some of the money went there and different places. We'd do that every year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1572.28,1593.9"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Was this in the 80s and 90s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1594.54,1597.22"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e At least the 90s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1598.36,1599.4"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e The 90s. Do you remember who was being impersonated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1599.64,1603.48"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Patti LaBelle, Dionne Warwick, Tish always did Cher. Tish looked like Cher doing the entertaining. David Agganis did Tammy Faye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1605.66,1618.94"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a good one. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1620.9,1621.98"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Tammy Faye. They just—Not very many— oh, then you had somebody [doing] Lily Tomlin! I can't think of his— Jennifer? I know him as Jennifer Reed, did Lily Tomlin, you would swear, one ringy dingy—you would swear he was Lily Tomlin. Lot of good shows, lot of good entertainers. It's like if you interviewed Melinda Wilson. Melinda, unfortunately, should have been in Vegas performing years ago. That's how good Melinda was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1621.98,1650.3"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Tish was really—is something of an icon in Lynn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1652.42,1656.72"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1656.82,1657.32"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell us about how you came to know Tish and what they're like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1657.96,1662.42"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Tish, I apologize. I used to meet Tish like five days a week for a drink at Dominic's. Tish was madly in love with somebody and I would have to sit and listen to how she was madly in love with somebody. Never realizing [or] paying attention in the afternoon, who was in the bar. So one day we're sitting in the bar and I'm sorta in Dominic's looking around. I said, \"Tish, we're here all the time. Is the person in the bar?\" Tish said, \"Yes they are!\" I'm looking around— I'm sorry to be nasty —[but] Troll one, troll two. Why would you give anybody the right time of day? Because this is the normal 'Steve the Greek', I tell it like it is. I wouldn't give anybody the right time of day, you ask anybody that knows me. And I looked at Tish, I said, \"How close is the person?\" Tish said, \"Sitting next to me.\" I went, \"Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.\" So, Tish and I never met for a drink again and I've done nothing but torture Tish for years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1662.66,1720.14"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Hopefully with some affection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1721.92,1723.72"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Some affection. [During] The \"Night of a Hundred Stars\", Tish would do her primary number during the evening. I made it very clear to everybody, weeks before the \"Night of a Hundred Stars\", that I was going to a stable, getting a huge horse blanket, rubbing it in the manure, and when Tish does her number, I'm gonna walk behind her— because no matter what the show must go on —and I'm going to rip the blanket, covered with horse manure, out of a big trash bag and put it on her shoulder, and the show must go on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1724.72,1758.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness, that doesn't sound like a matter of affection! So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1759.06,1762.6"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e the \"Night of a Hundred Stars\", I walked in— you had the bar behind me, the stage to the front— I walked across. When you go down to go to the back room, off to the side I put a big trash bag, and I'm like this, with a ribbon hanging. And all the big mouths of the bar had already told Tish. There was [rumors] through everywhere [about] what I was going to do, that's why I gave them two weeks notice. So, Tish's— all the drag queens did their numbers, the show was going on so this could have been close to the last number, I don't know. I went near the door, [while] Tish was doing her number, with her copper gold gown on, and she was doing whatever she was doing, her thing, and I walked across towards—passing her. She was on the floor performing. [Then] The whole bar got awful quiet, everybody was just looking. So I took a left down the ramp, I went over, got the trash bag, held it at a distance from me, the whole bar [was] looking around. All had a look of horror, like \"Steve the Greek's an asshole, he's really gonna do it.\" I dropped the bag behind Tish, I went— maybe did this or something— and they're all looking, I bent over, ripped the bag, and I pulled out the horse blanket covered with horse manure. Oh, guess what? It was a $25,000 mink coat I gave her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1762.6,1839.64"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1840.28,1841.429"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e The whole bar was cheering, screaming, and hollering. And Tish is looking, you know, how like [when you see] somebody [that] is important, your head goes up like a peacock? And she's looking at the fur and she's— then all of a sudden I wasn't an a-hole anymore. And we all had requests for full lengths, fox and lynx's and everything, because there was a woman that went to the bar, straight, Doris— a very unattractive woman —didn't own anything. And when I befriended Doris— when my grandmother passed, my mother and aunt assumed all the furs, four fur cabinets: foxes, lynx, full lengths, all this stuff, I gave it all to Doris. She lived in a subsidized apartment with a mattress on the floor. She'd walk around all the bars with the full length fox-on- lynx, they're going, \"The Greek gave all the fur from his grandmother to Doris?\" So, I gave Tish a $25,000 mink coat. Amazing that they thought I would do a horse blanket with manure. See, you believed it! I've been watching the look on both of your faces. You two believed not even knowing me, that I would do that. Thank you for the compliment. That's a compliment to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1842.34,1909.3"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did this 'make the peace' with Tish?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1909.54,1912.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Tish and I are friends. Tish always wanted my opinion. She'd came down once with a tight yellow dress on. I looked at her and I said, \"You look like Chiquita Banana. You look like a banana in a dress that's got a bulge in the middle of the banana.\" Tish went upstairs and took it off. [She] Always wanted my opinion, but would never say that, because she knows I would only give her the best opinion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1912.58,1935.34"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you think drag is so popular both for gay and straight people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1936.34,1943.2"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Because it's something different, maybe, I don't know. Maybe half these straight men that go would want to put a dress on. Maybe they cross dresses at home. I know people that [are] cross dressers. People don't realize the Town Lyne House restaurant in Lynnfield on, I think it was Wednesday or Thursday night, had twenty-five couples that would be there every week: straight married men with their wives. They would cross dress because they knew the baker, Bobby Turner, from the bar. Bobby was the baker at Town Lyne House in Kings Grant, and Bobby would say, \"Oh, they're coming in tonight. We have to let them in the back,\" and straight couples would come in, and the husbands would be dressed as women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1944.66,1980.04"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you feel like, in all these bars that you mentioned, straight people were welcomed? Or is that something that evolved over time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1981.58,1990.3"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Straight people were okay, basically, in a gay bar. One of my exes, George, and I— him and I went to see a lesbian at one of the lesbian bars in Boston years ago, and we were just about told at the door, \"You're not wanted in here.\" So she brought us in because she wanted to talk to us, Linda, and it was very clear they wanted us out. So, George and I said to Linda, \"Instead of causing trouble, we'll leave.\" Women's bars wanted the bar for women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=1991.54,2018.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Was Frannie's an exception to that? Franny","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2019.8,2022.84"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e didn't care as long as the money was coming in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2022.84,2025.12"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you know Mayor Judy Flanagan Kennedy? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2027.32,2032.08"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2032.08,2032.78"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you tell us a little bit about her? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2033.92,2036.04"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e she'd come down to the bar, get behind the bar [and] tend the bar, once in a while. I think she lost the last election because we didn't vote. The bar was closed. But the year before—whenever we had a vote before that —everybody was at the bar, and everybody made sure we went and voted. I think this last time she lost by only a few votes. It wasn't like hundreds of votes. I don't even think it was fifty votes, I think they said [that] she lost. I think Judy was a good mayor, she did a lot for the city of Lynn. They built a couple of junior high schools, and different schools and things, and any fundings, you know, for like whatever they were doing with bridges and roadways —and I think she helped a lot with that, even though somebody else maybe took the credit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2036.04,2073.46"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you continue to work in nurseries and in substance rehab for the rest of your life? No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2074.08,2085.79"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Alcoholics, drug addicts, street people. Then I worked at Danvers State—I mean Danvers Detox. I did that for five years. Somebody that worked for Nurfasing Service [sic], one of the management, bumped into my mother at Bingo. It was [during] an emergency that I would contact her. So, my mother got a hold of me, and I contacted [the manager] the next day. She asked me to \"Please take a shower, come right down to the office.\" She said they had the first AIDS patient in Marblehead, a prominent businessman. The only one that knew he was HIV-positive was his wife. The children, relatives—nobody knew. She had told them, at nursing services, nobody wanted to take the case. She said, \"If I can track somebody down, he will take the case,\" —meaning me. So when I met with her, I said, \"When do you want me to go?\" She says, \"Can you go now?\" I said, \"I'm going now and I'm not putting no garment on,\" you know, \"No face mask, no nothing. I'm going the way I am.\" I took care of him until he died the way I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2085.79,2142.94"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Did—Do you feel like there were certain skills or strengths that you brought as somebody who worked in rehab? What did you learn about yourself that you were good at in terms of helping people in this condition?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2146.1,2164.64"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e When it comes to anything like that, I'm a strong person. Very strong. It's like, my granddaughter's living in a shelter now, the Avalon Motel on Route One, which I disapprove of, but she wants to get Section Eight. The other day I bought thirteen coats [that] I drop off. Different churches I'm involved in will be giving me coats and clothes for the kids at the motel. So, every day I'm dropping stuff off for them. My granddaughter and a friend of hers next door, they pass everything out to everybody up there. I've always done stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2166.54,2188.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it correct that you're a part of the \"Over the Rainbow\" social club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2188.78,2193.074"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2193.48,2193.98"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you tell us a little bit about that organization? A","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2194.54,2197.039"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e few people started it maybe thirteen, fourteen years ago. I walked into Forty-Seven Central one night [and] somebody was standing with a velvet jacket on. I asked them what they were [doing]? Posing for animal crackers? They said, \"It's obvious you're nasty.\" I said, \"Thank you for the compliment.\" The person said, \"We do a gay dinner 'Over the Rainbow' in Salem at the Gables. Would you please be involved?\" So, my son's mother and I have been involved ever since. It's [been] about thirteen years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2197.039,2227.44"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel like it's important for gay seniors to be able to connect like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2228.48,2234.88"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I do, but I think we should allow younger people to come. We've changed our name. I think we're not \"Over the Rainbow\" anymore. I think we're something else now, because we've gone out on our own, and we're doing it— like our own getting money and stuff. We're doing whatever we're doing. It's like, [on] the second Tuesday in February, we're doing pizza night at the senior center.—Second Monday in February, we're doing pizza night at Salem Senior Center and I'm supplying all the pizzas. We do different things. We had a barbecue in August. No, [it was] September [when] we did it this year. We do a barbecue, there's about sixty-five people for that, on the grounds at the Gables. Then we have [a] dinner. It used to be the second Tuesday of every month. Now, it's been every other month. But, I had talked to Deb because I wanted to decorate for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas, so we did it September, October, November, December, then [in] January, February, March, we decided to go to the senior center and have a movie or something. So, we're doing that now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2235.04,2291.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel like Lynn does enough to support its LGBTQ+ elders?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2292.18,2298.46"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we're doing that in Salem, so they're not involved in that. It's just like the other people that are on what's sort of like a 'board', it's really not a legal board, but they went to the gay pride parade [in Boston] and here, you see, [they're] causing trouble. I guess they rode on the duck boat with the governor, and all that, and they're all in their laptops. Y'know, like, who cares? The governor— [they're] on the duck boat in the gay pride parade. They're not helping us with a dinner so why are you bothering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2298.74,2325.3"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Wait, I'm not sure I follow. Who was in the gay pride parade that didn't belong there? People","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2325.58,2330.46"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e that are on our board. I'm not going to say names. I guess they rode in the duck boat. I'm not online. So it was a big to-do that they were in the duck boat with the governor, [or] mayor, whoever. I went on a nasty one, I said, \"So?\" I said, \"If they're not giving us money, helping us with the dinner, who cares you were in the parade?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2330.46,2345.715"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e I think when you and I spoke a couple days ago, you mentioned that you've never been in a gay pride parade. Is that correct? Not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2347.64,2354.92"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e in Boston, [but in] Salem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2354.92,2356.594"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2356.88,2357.38"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e When Over the Rainbow did, I said—they had a little dinky float —I said, \"I can't get on that.\" They said, \"Oh yeah, but you're gonna.\" But I will, I guess, and I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2357.52,2366.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you feel about these pride celebrations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2368.08,2370.86"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think people should have a right to express themselves. From what I've seen in pictures over the years, there's a lot of racy things on the float I don't approve of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2372.9,2381.42"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e For example?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2384.8,2385.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you got— what is it? Like, an S\u0026M bar, and they're dressed like that with their rear ends hanging out of everything, and wearing S\u0026M and a ball gag in their mouth. I think that's inappropriate for the parade that children are gonna be at.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2386.26,2398.64"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel like there are some generational differences between younger LGBTQ folks and people of your generation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2400.32,2411.136"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think years ago, more people were into hiding. Like, I know three business people in Lynn [that] had big prominent businesses. I'd see them Friday nights with their boyfriends, and Saturdays at either the Continental restaurant, or different restaurants, with their husbands. And I would never— I'm quoted as having a big mouth. Absolutely not. Unless you directly ask me something, I would never say anything to the wives, ever. But I'm not gonna lie for you, I don't lie for myself. So if anybody says 'the Greek' makes them stories: wrong. I'll take a lie detector test on any of that. I tell it like it is, that's why I'm not liked, maybe. But I don't care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2411.5,2447.5"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e It sounds like, which is pretty self-evident, that there was a lot more hiding and fear in your generation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2448.24,2457.716"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2458.26,2458.76"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you feel about the LGBTQ+ movement right now? I mean, even just for example, that name: \"LGBTQ+\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2460.04,2468.403"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you can't say \"he\". You can't say \"she\". You can't say \"it\". You can't say \"we\". This generation is screwed up. I have a granddaughter who's sixteen who announced to me a few years ago, \"I'm a lesbian.\" I said, \"That's nice.\" So now [she has] a boyfriend. I said, \"So you're a lesbian with a boyfriend?\" \"Now, Papu\"— I'm Papu, it's Greek. I don't understand. It's a different world today—it's just a different world. How she saying she's a lesbian at sixteen that you don't even know you are, but then you got a boyfriend you're on the phone ten hours a day with? It doesn't matter to me what she is, as long as nobody hurts her. It's nobody's business what anybody does. If you go with somebody black, white, purple, green, Greek, Puerto Rican, whatever. Straight, gay, bisexual; if you're not hurting somebody, with anybody in my life, whatever they do, as long as they're not affecting and hurting me and nobody's hurting them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2470.24,2524.62"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel like your granddaughter's generation has it harder or easier than you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2525.8,2531.82"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, easier. She's got two or three friends that are lesbian. She's got two family or friends that are living as males. I have three or four—no at this point maybe six or seven friends, whose granddaughters want to be males, whose grandsons want to be females, and the grandparents are like in their seventies and eighties and they're all flipping out. I said, \"You love them. No matter what they do, you love them. They're your grandchildren. Can't change it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2531.92,2555.2"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e So you feel like there's a lot more— there's been a lot of progress and that there's a lot more tolerance now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2556.58,2563.08"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so, yes. In","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2565.4,2565.66"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e recent years there's been a little bit of a political backlash against LGBTQ+ people. In general, do you feel optimistic or cynical about their future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2565.66,2580.78"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Cynical. I think even today you got to watch what you're doing. There's a lot of crazy people out there. I mean, they're going and just shooting up schools and things. I'm surprised! You had the bar in Florida. 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There's people minding their business. You don't know what's going to happen anywhere, the way the world is today. It just takes one crazy person with a gun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2598.58,2608.68"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e In certain ways, from your point of view, it sounds like it's good that there's more tolerance, people are more flexible, but in other ways there's a lot of danger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2610.3,2619.1"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Still watch what you're doing. Always be aware. You should always be aware of what's going on around you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2619.24,2625.7"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you've already given us quite a bit to think about and some really interesting perspectives on your own experiences. Is there anything that we haven't talked about that you wanted to address or discuss?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2627.42,2641.22"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I think people should be more involved in anything [where] people need help. It's a sad world today. A lot of people— even if somebody owns a home, they get by the skin of their teeth between taxes and heating bills and grocery bills. I mean, if you know somebody that needs something, help them. It's like, I believe the dinner we do at the Gables— I believe —we should be doing more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2642.78,2664.434"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e So for you, the principle of— the self-principle of three mitzvahs a day would be really well applied to everybody else if they had that mentality? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2668.14,2678.56"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e I like seeing people wanting credit. They had a little boy on TV today, he's wearing a suit to school on Wednesdays. My grandson did that when he was little, every Friday he wore a suit. On MSNBC a few weeks ago, I heard the news commentator, he's involved with sending desks to Africa. Been there, done that. In '92 or '94, I bought a three family on Howard Street, Lynn. I had Jewish friends, so they said, \"Steve, we need to get rid of three classrooms.\" The[y had] desks at the temple in Swampscott. I said, \"In other words, you don't want to pay to get rid of them?\" \"Can Steve oblige you by getting rid of them?\" Steve will do that. They were the Femica desks, with the opening in the front and a separate chair. I took over a hundred desks, gave a few away. My mother had the junk business in my name, [so] I gave her some desks to sell. I checked around, and somebody had to show me documentation that they were sending a container to Guatemala, Ethiopia, Africa, and I gave them all the desks. All the desks were picked up and sent to a wayward country in '92 and '94. This newscaster wants accolades and kudos because he just did it. Everything you see, I'm not tooting my horn, I've done it. You ask people that know me. People don't realize. I don't know how many years back this goes, [but] they opened up an AIDS house in the commons in Lynn near Shepherd Street. Got a phone call, I won't say a name, that he was going to go there to live and I said to him,\"Alright,\" he says, \"You got the business, you need to get stuff. The house only has like a living room set in and a few odds and ends.\" I brought at least fifty van loads: glassware, dishes, pots and pans, and I had nine bedroom sets to live in, everything. I never got thank you— drop dead, how are you? Had it all delivered. Even got St. Pius to donate the nine-foot Christmas tree so they'd have a tree for Christmas. I don't know if anybody took the credit, if anybody got paid for the stuff. But somebody I know was going in, and he was the first one to have keys, so I made sure the whole house was done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2678.56,2807.7"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e So it sounds like- But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2809.08,2810.28"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e it's phone calls away. Everybody you know has stuff they don't want. But they're not going to part [it] with us. You say, \"I really need a crib.\" You may have a crib.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2810.28,2819.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e You'd like to see a world in which people extend their generosity, but maybe don't make quite so much effort to advertise how generous they're being. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2822.3,2834.185"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e don't need to advertise it. See, I'm telling you things because you're asking me. But, these are things I do. It's just like, you've got, all these migrants coming here, everybody's screaming. Most of their ancestors came here. They may have come here legally, but a lot of these people are fleeing for their life. I don't understand why we have nowhere to put them. You have a graveyard, somewhere, of probably thirty, forty cruise ships. Put them outside of Boston— one outside of Boston, one outside of each state, and let them live on the cruise ship. Common sense. Every time there's an earthquake or something goes on, you hear, people have broken legs, broken hips, their legs have been cut off. You got hospitals and nurse homes with all the wheelchairs and everything in the basements. Get containers and send them over there. I don't understand that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2834.185,2881.6"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel any pride that Lynn, in general, has been a welcoming place for immigrants? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2882.68,2888.76"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e they always have been from what I understand. Because anybody that grew up in the Brickyard— I never heard of any trouble, and a lot of people came from the Brickyard. Trini Karubi, all kinds of people, came from the Brickyard. They grew up there. Their parents came from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2888.76,2904.18"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, Steve, last question. fifty years from now, when hundreds of thousands of people are watching this interview, what do you most want them to remember about your generation, your time, and your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2905.2,2923.16"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSteve Sklavounos:\u003c/strong\u003e Just figured, I guess we pushed a lot of this along, going on for more rights and rights for anybody and anything that's going on in the world. Hopefully fifty years from now, if the world is still here [with] the way things are going, that the world's a better place and people are getting along with one another. I mean, you look at Europe now, everybody's bombing everybody. It's not good out there. That's why everybody's fleeing and everybody's against, you know, the migrants [sic] coming in. If you are running through rivers and climbing mountains, whatever you're doing to get here, uhere's got to be a reason— you're not doing it for nothing. I think a lot of people need to get off their rear end and instead of bitching [about] what's going on, try to help out. Get cruise ships or empty buildings and warehouses, y'know, clean them up a little. Forget some of the FICO laws, just put alarms and get beds in there and stuff. You know, there's too many laws out there, too, that screw everything up [so] that if you had a building or an empty motel, you can't use it because you need a permit for this, a permit for that— they all get their mouths in it. In Europe, Greece— I'm Greek —all these countries, they're ruins. In Lynn, Boston, they're slums, Roxbury. If you go from ruins to slums— it's the history of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=2926.06,2998.52"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/transcript/67090/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eAndrew Darien:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you for agreeing to be intervi","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769#t=3000.78,3010.12"}]},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/128977/file/241769/index/83537","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Steve Sklavounos index 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