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Their interview includes perspectives on the bar’s relationship with the Lynn Police Department, competing bars, AIDS advocacy, the Night of 100 Stars, Drag, and the changing nature of the LGBTQ+ community. \u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJay Collins was born in 1953 and raised with his five siblings in Beverley, MA. His family owned and managed the Lighthouse Cafe and Fran\u0026rsquo;s Place for multiple generations. Jay was the most recent owner and manager of Fran\u0026rsquo;s until its closing in 2016. Tisha Sterling, born and raised in Gloucester, MA was a beloved bartender, manager, and drag performer at Fran\u0026rsquo;s Place from 1986 to 2016. The two close friends and longtime coworkers exchanged stories about their time at Fran\u0026rsquo;. 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My name is Andrew Darien. I'm a Professor of History at Salem State University. And I'm conducting this interview as part of the Mass Humanity-funded project: \"Through A Rainbow Lens: A Reflection on Lynn's LGBTQ+ History\". I am honored to be joined today by Tish Sterling, also known as Queen of Lynn, who is a beloved bartender, and performer at Fran's Place. I'm also joined by Jay Collins, the current owner of the North Shore Auto Clinic, and was a longtime owner of Fran's Place, which had been in his family for decades: going all the way back to The Lighthouse Cafe. I want to thank both of you for being here today, and [to] just confirm that I have your permission to record this conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=0.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nConfirmed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=54.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nGreat. So, the point of today's interview is to focus on the many years that you spent together at Fran's. But, I thought maybe we could start by getting a little sense of who you are, and where you came from. Tish, I'm wondering if we can start with you. Can you tell us where exactly you grew up, and what your family was like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=57.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOkay. I am originally from Gloucester. I came out when I was fourteen, but back then you kept it a secret. At first, it was a little hard, y'know, with my parents, before I came out to them. But once I came out completely, they were my rock. They were behind me one hundred percent [with] anything I did. Whatever they could do to help me, they did. As far as starting drag, I started that in, 1982 at Fran's. They, we, had a contest and each week— it was once a week on a Thursday —they would pick the best person. The best person would win for that week, and then [after] ten weeks, they would have the finals. So, my friend Nicky, he won the finals. And I believe, if I remember correctly, I came in second or third. I'm not....—it's been so long. But, then we put together.....—it was like, we all were having fun doing it, so the person that was actually working at Fran's at the time— that was the daytime manager, Miss Robbie —was an old drag queen. [She] put this [event on.] We called it \"Fran's Follies,\" and we did shows on Wednesday nights once a week. It was the group of us, that had one [show] each week. We were all together. We had a president, vice president, treasurer, and everything. It just sprouted. As word got out, more and more people came, and then more and more straight people started coming— mostly girls —the straight girls. They were come after they had a class or something, like at night school. And one of them, who I've been friends with ever since, is Judy Flannigan Kennedy, who became the mayor of Lynn. She and I still are friends. She used to come to all my shows. And then, when she became mayor, she became— She wanted to contribute. So, she did numbers in our \"Night Of A Hundred Stars\" AIDS benefits. Things like that. So, we had a lotta......Straight people started coming in for the shows. At first, they were......not the........—the shows weren't as professional, as they became later on down the line, because the more you did, the more you worked on it. [Consequently,] it became more professional, and you went into more details on everything that you did. Like if you were doing a character, you would study that character and tried to do the mannerisms. You would do the best that you could to try to look like that person. I used to do Cher. Like I said, facially, makeup hlped, but it wasn't [perfect.] It was the costumes that I had [that made it]. They were things that Cher would wear. And we just kept it going, and kept it going, and then, little by little, some of the queens from Boston, they started coming, and I started doing shows in Boston. I worked at Jock's once a month on a Wednesday, for about three years, and then I had to stop because I had a blood clot. I had stopped doing shows at Fran's, even for a little bit [because of that]. But, that was one thing that my parents knew about, because I made sure I told them —because I had relatives that were gay, but they'd try to hold it over my head. Like, if I didn't do something that they wanted, [they'd say,] \"I'm gonna call your mother, and tell her you're wearing dresses!\" —type of thing. And I was like, \"I'm gonna tell them first.\" So, they stuck behind me, especially when I said, most of the time I did the shows [they] were for benefits: like breast cancer, AIDS. The AIDS one was the biggest. We did [some] for Children's Hospital, the United Way. We were raising money for other things, and my mother was so proud that I was doing this, and working, and that I had a job. I've had two jobs in my whole life. My first job was working for a restaurant— well, two restaurants in Glouster. They were owned by the same [people]. One happened to be Captain Courageous, and that was open year round. And the other one was the Easterly, and that one is now the Elks formal meeting place. It was on Bass rocks in Gloucester, so [that] overlooked the water, and Captain Courageous overlooked the fishing community. I worked there for sixteen years. When they sold the business, Mr. Collins [had been] one of my customers. [By then,] I had already been going to the bar and doing shows, and everything. But he says, \"If you ever need a job, come see me.\" But when the [restaurant] closed, I didn't say anything. Somebody else went and told them, and he goes, \"I thought I told you, if you need a job come see me.\" That was in 1986. And from 1986 to September....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=81.0,559.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\n25th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=559.0,559.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\n24th, 2016, I worked there. I worked from being just the daytime bartender, to being the full time manager. I met a lot, a lot, a lot of people. The whole thing: it wasn't just about the drag. I mean, even though that was a major, a major part of my life, I enjoyed it. I had fun. I met so many different personality drag queens. We had one that was a Cher impersonator, Steven Andrade. He did Cher. His other characters, that he would do, was....one of them was Celine Deon —who was the other person I used to do. So when he was there, he would do Cher, and he actually was a stand in for Cher, on many occasions. Like, if she had to be [in] two places at once.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=559.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nReally??","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=648.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYup!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=648.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIt's quite a testament to the quality of the impression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=648.0,651.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOh, yes. He copied all her....from her Vegas residency. He took pictures of her costumes, and copied them down to a tee. He was fantastic. I enjoyed working with him. I enjoyed working with the Latino community. [In] 1996, we started having a Latino night. It started off on Mondays. Then it was a Memorial Day weekend, and we asked if we could move it to the Sunday, Well, it was like, \"Well, Sundays are doing good,.\" It was one of those things that you had to think about, because you didn't want to hurt something that's already well established. We did the Sunday night and, business wise, we tripled what the Sundays were doing. So, we moved it to Sundays. I had [drag] queens coming from Connecticut, Rhode Island, Haverhill, Lowell —even further up: New Hampshire. We had some that were from Puerto Rico, because they were up visiting their families. One of the highlights of me being a part of Fran's was meeting all these people. I still keep in touch with some of them. There's a couple of— well, obviously, a lot of them have passed away, especially during the AIDS epidemic. We lost a lot. But when Latino Night started, I was working with a kid who was from Puerto Rico, but then he moved to New York. But they wanted to keep it going. I was like, \"I don't speak Spanish!\" And my friend, [a] drag queen, Charo, she looked at me and she goes, \"Tish, I know you wanna keep this going. I will be here for you.\" She and I became sisters. She passed away in 2001 due to AIDS, but she had just, that year, she had just won, Miss Latin Massachusetts— Miss Gay Latin Massachusetts, which was a pageant that we held at Fran's. She had won it. I was so, so happy for her. She's the one I miss the most.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=651.0,839.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou've taken us through a very long and interesting arc of your life, and the bar. All the different parts that you're talking about probably deserve a little more attention, and I want to return to some of them. Also, of course, I wanna hear from Jay. But, just very quickly, can you say a little bit about your family in Gloucester? Who you grew up with, and how old when you first started coming to Lynn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=839.0,872.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOkay. Like I said, I came out. I realized I was gay when I was fourteen. When I turned eighteen, the drinking age was eighteen. So when I turned eighteen, my best friend from Gloucester, his name is Billy, he and I— he says, \"We have to go to Boston.\" And so we went to Boston. We went to the 1270, and all the little, smaller gay bars that were there. Then we went to Lynn. We went and it was just opening as Fran's Place, from being The Lighthouse [Cafe].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=872.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nApproximately, what year is this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=915.0,921.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\n1976, 77. And so, we went there and it was all women. We were with a bunch of girls, so it didn't matter —because Glouster had a lot of lesbians. So, we went down the street to Mr. Dominic's, and then we went back to Fran's. Then, we didn't go to to Fran's for a little bit, a couple of years. And then in 1980/81, we started going back, because it was Saturday nights. It was a great dance night, and it was such....—it had changed so much, to be[ing] a mixed gay crowd, of men and women. So we started going there, and that's how I started going to Fran's. Then when they had the contest, I said, \"I'm gonna try that.\" One thing led to another, but coming up......In Gloucester back then, it was very hard being gay. I happen to be one of the lucky ones, because other people that I know, in Gloucester back then, they got beat up. They were called \"Fag,\" all the time, or they'd be walking down the street, minding your own business, and you hear them say, \"That's a queer.\" It even happened with me. But after I started working at Fran's, [that wa]s when I moved to Lynn because it was more convenient. But Gloucester started to turn a bit, also. There's a lot of gay people in Gloucester now. I just happened to be one of the ones that almost everybody knows. You mentioned my name in Gloucester, and people know who I am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=921.0,1066.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAs a teen, what do you think protected you? What made you lucky?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1066.0,1073.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nAs a teen, I wasn't lucky. I was bullied.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1073.0,1076.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1076.0,1076.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nI was bullied in school. Never physically, but emotionally, and [with] the words. I never got beat up, or anything like that, but I minded my own business. If somebody started [talking about me], instead of mouthing off back at them, I just walked away to avoid a conflict. But back in the '70s and '80s, early '80s, it was not cool to be gay. I'm not just saying in Gloucester, but just throughout anywhere, it wasn't cool if you were gay. You had to.......—there was a possibility you could lose your job. Some of my friends lost their jobs because they were gay. I just happened to be lucky that the business, the businesses, that I worked in were somewhat gay friendly. They would rather have a gay person, like the restaurants, [would] rather have the gay person working for them, because, when it came time for Christmas, any holidays that were typical family holidays, the gay person would work [on those tougher days], because some of them were disowned by their families. Like I said, I was lucky. But the ones that were disowned by their families, they had no place to go, so they would work. Then we found out, after our shift at the restaurant on Christmas day, we were like, \"Well, what are we gonna do now?\" —me and my friends. And they said, \"Let's go to Lynn.\" So we started going to Lynn on Christmas night, because the bar was open, and that's where it was......—that was our family. That's how Fran's, to me, is. It has been like...... My family is, a lot of people say, is the 'Cheers' of the North Shore: where 'everybody knows your name'. Well, yeah, everybody knew my name But it was super nice to have a place to go on the holidays, and be with the people that loved you and cared. Whereas.....—and then some of them, you know, I would.........some of the [gay people] in Gloucester, [who] their families disowned them, I [would be] like, \"Come with us. We're going to Fran's.\" \"I don't know if I want to go to L—\" \"Just get in the car!\" That's how it was. Then once they got there, they saw, and then they started coming on different nights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1076.0,1275.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo, let's talk to the man whose family was responsible for establishing this illustrious institution: where you grew up in Lynn, and who was in your households, and your early family life,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1275.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nOkay. I was born and raised in Beverly. I have five siblings. It wasn't peaches and cream. As a little guy, I think my parents found out the hard way, as [Fran's Place] transitioned from a local pub to a gay bar. It all basically started from a bowling alley, which was next door. There was several woman's leagues [there], and they would come into the bar next door, which was called The Lighthouse, then. I'm probably seven, eight years old, and I could hear my mother and father talking, you know, when you're that young, about how friendly these girls seem, and [that] they dance together, they kiss. It just basically— that's sort of how it started. Then, they were bringing some of their male friends, and then that was obvious. It just— that crowd overtook the existing pub crowd, that they had. But, they all got along. It was strictly, back then, The Lighthouse was just like a local pub. Mom [and] pop [place]. On Sundays, they had a piano player. But, everyone got along. And I think the key—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1290.0,1371.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd when you were seven, eight, what years are these?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1371.0,1375.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nThat would be the late fifties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1375.0,1377.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nOkay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1377.0,1378.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nI was born in '53. So they.....—but one thing I can say [is that] my mother loved everybody. My father was a tough guy, but he loved the crowd. But he also....—I think the saving grace was [that] he was always involved with the police. Back in those days, as dumb as it sounds today, [cops] would stop in and have a drink while on duty. I don't think there was any law about it, so there was always a cop that was in Fran's . And, as time went on, obviously laws change. I went to a Catholic school, and I can remember, my dad, every year at different holidays, would donate whatever it might be. If it's Christmas, he'd buy all the wreaths for the church. He'd be talking to the pastor, and he would actually ask them, the pastor—him, I'm sorry —and explain the whole situation: what [Fran's Place] was. You gotta remember, this is [the] early sixties now. \"Well, you know, Bob, it's a business. You get you're doing everything right. Those people aren't doing anything wrong. I mean, granted they can't get married and this, and that, and a bop bop a boo, but just never put them down,\" to him. And, he goes, \"Just continue on. You're fine.\" You know, it made me a little uncomfortable, but in school, if someone asked what your father did, [I'd say,] he owned a bar. I'd never sa[y] the name. And then the older you get, it becomes even worse. Because if they find out— \"Your father owns The Lighthouse? Is your mother gay? Is your father gay?\" It was a little difficult, but you got through it. I was used to gay people from, like I say, seven [or] eight years old. That's why getting involved was.....the transition was easy. My father passed away January of 1975, and then The Lighthouse, that fourth of July of '75, there was a fire. So, we were technically out of business— well, not we, my mom. You could tell she was upset. It's bad enough [that] you lose your husband, and I was really the only sibling living at home, at the time. And, so we basically talked and I goes, \"Why don't we just reopen?\" And the owner of the building at the time, my parents leased [the building,] the owner of the building wanted like stupid money because, you know, \"Oh, it's The Lighthouse. You guys make big money, buppaboo.\" So, we started looking at other areas in Lynn. And I always kept in contact..... there was a couple of older guys who had, like, an antique business on the other half of, The Lighthouse, and they called me one day and said, \"You might wanna talk to this guy. We just found out, through him, that he has terminal cancer in six months to live.\" So, I mean, I'm twenty one years old. I had just started my auto repair business. And I'm like \"ugggh.\" So I sent my brother-in-law. I kinda saw this through a TV series [that] we used to watch called Dallas, and J.R. Ewing was a snake. So I said, \"Let's use a little reverse psychology.\" \"I'm gonna send my brother-in-law who he's not gonna recognize the name, you know? Peppalotto versus Collins.\" And, he signed the P \u0026 S [Purchase and Sale Agreement], and we got it for twenty five thousand dollars less than what he wanted for us. Doesn't sound like a lot of money [now], but back then. That's like a hundred thousand today. So, we all showed up at the closing, —and I can still see him today. He looked just like Kojak [from the TV show, \"Kojak\"]. He actually drove the ol' Lincoln too. He looked right at me and said, \"Wow.\" He goes, \"I never saw this coming.\" He goes, \"You're gonna go places.\" And so we purchased the building, we did all the renovations. We were sort of stuck, and we're like, \"Huh. Where everything's new, we need a new name.\" I think it was myself, my brother-in-law, my sisters, It's like, \"Why don't we call it Fran's Place?\" —and that's how we got the new name. We opened up, and I have to tell you, it, instantly, was a hit. And to back up Tish's point about Dominic's: While we were closed, he opened up a gay bar. And he, I think, was trying to steal—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1378.0,1698.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWho was the owner?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1698.0,1700.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nI don't know if I want to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1700.0,1702.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nOkay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1702.0,1705.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nBut, he wasn't such a nice person. So, we opened up, and then the word is circulating that he's gonna get all the guys, and we're gonna get all the girls. We mind our own business. We just do our own thing. We were pretty busy. We would get......I would say, honestly, I think Fran's, in all the years, we were known to be a woman's bar. Like he says, the percentage rate went down as the business got older: meaning, we were probably eighty percent women, [then] seventy, to sixty, to sort of a split. Through that time, it was extremely tough, because we had all these fires we had to deal with. And I was getting the word, from other people, who was doing it, and it was the guy up the street. So, he gets caught burning his own place [and] goes to jail. I mean, I was interrogated by the fire department. I actually made an appointment after this, with him, and said, \"I can guarantee you, we will never see another fire in Fran's,\" and we never did have one. But as time went on, it just started to become that much more easy to run the business, because laws were changing, rights were changing. We always had a great reputation with the city, the police, the fire department, the mayor, the councilors. And we started to get more and more of them patronizing the place because, I guess in the sixties and seventies, if you were caught walking out, people would think the wrong thing of you. So, a lot of that pressure was relieved off of everybody [as laws changed]. Then, we did another major renovation. Disco was big. I mean, we had, back then, probably [an] eighty thousand dollars sound system, thirty [or] forty thousand dollars in lights. We were noted to have the the largest dance floor, I believe, in the North Shore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1705.0,1841.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1841.0,1842.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\n[We] probably [had a] state of the art system. And, when people went out to dance, they wanted to go to Fran's: gay or straight, and we just started drawing. We the biggest draw, I think, at night, was restaurants and bars. Waiters and waitresses, and managers, and owners from, I mean, all [of] the restaurants in Beverly, Salem, Peabody, you know? They'd all come to Fran's. I'm trying to think of the place....the Danversport Yacht Club: [a] very big place. Most of them were gay, that worked there. Oh my god. You guys would light up when they'd come in! I mean, they spent money like water. Very, very nice people. And I mean, it was so much of a joy every year. You know, getting through.....I mean, Fran's opened up in.....I believe it was the end of August in 1976, and, like he said, the last day, I believe— it was right before my birthday, so it was like the 24th or 25th of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1842.0,1903.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nIt was the 24th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1903.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah, of 16. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1905.0,1908.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYes. September 24th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1908.0,1909.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nThat was an extreme[ly] emotional night for everyone, including me. I mean, people coming up to you. These are adults, my age, maybe even younger hugging you. \"I would have killed myself if it wasn't for this place.\" I mean, it's like— it was just shocking. And it's, like, to know.......I guess, not to know what they really went through, because when I saw them, they were extremely happy because they were in their home. [That's what] they used to call it: this is all our house. And, I mean, they were like my protection. I would be more protected with them, than the president in the United States. Anytime there was a fight, if I went over, there was thirty people behind me. I do not ever regret anything. I would do over again tomorrow, if I was younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1909.0,1968.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nTish, I could sense some emotion from you, when he talking about the closing of the bar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1968.0,1974.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nThe closing day that Saturday was very, very emotional, because it was, one: and end of an era. Fran's was the oldest gay bar in Massachusetts, and it was an end of an era for me, because I had that job since 1986. I was the longest employee that they've ever had. Like I said, I may not have known what your name was, or what your name was, but you walk in the door, and if I had been waiting on you beforehand, as soon as you walk in the door, \"Oh! Rum and Coke?\" I knew more people by the[ir] drink, than their name. But, everybody knew my name. And [if] someone says, \"Well, I can't believe you don't remember everybody name,\" I'd looked at them and I said, you know, \"Put yourself in my place. Now you're a bartender, at Fran's, and everybody knows what your name is.\" I said, \"But I have hundreds of people that come in, on a Saturday night. There's hundreds of people come through the door. I can't remember everybody's name, but I remembered [their drink].\" And the emotional part was, the ones.....—it had to do, to me, with the lesbians because when, like when Jay said, the other bars opened up, all the guys screwed off and went [elsewhere]. I worked a number of daytime shifts, plus some night shifts there, and the afternoons— especially Friday afternoons —I'd have twenty to thirty, sometimes even more, lesbians come in. They were the best. I'm still friends with a lot of them. And some of them....—I was talking to one of the other day, and she says, \"Remember 'Prank Fridays', when we used to move the jukebox?\" —because back then we had a jukebox, and we used to move it to the dance floor, unplug it, just move it over, and plug it in, and then the night crew would come in and [be] like, \"Why is that jukebox in the middle of the dance floor?\" \"Just shut up, mind your business.\" And whatever worked, I catered to those who stuck by us. Some of the girls, like— there's a couple, that they were together, they celebrated their twenty fifth anniversary at Fran's, and that was way before we could even.....before it was legal to get married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=1974.0,2206.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo there were there were gay weddings at Fran's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2206.0,2209.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOh, yeah. We had gay weddings, but they just weren't legal. And then— But these two girls, they, like I said, they were together twenty five years, they had their anniversary party for twenty five years, and they're still together today. I don't see a lot of people anymore —basically because I'm old, and I don't go out at night anymore. But I do see them, like, if I'm out shopping, I run into [everybody], especially in the supermarket —I run into everybody in the supermarkets. And I mean, there's a guy that, he worked for the Housing Authority, which I live in housing in Lynn— and I'm on the Housing Authority board now —and, he's like, \"You know? We have to stop meeting like this.\" Because it's....— and it's good that I still.....and I do volunteer work at the Salvation Army, on Monroe Street in Lynn, and there's people that come in there to...— because they know I'm there, they come in to visit with me, and stuff. In fact, James [Moser] and Bill [Mulcahy]. Billy, I've known Billy since 1982. He'd pop down [to] the store to see me, and we talk here and there. But, as far as the emotions, it's.....it was so hard to actually lock up at the end of the night. It was like.... the tears were rolling. And It was....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2209.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI'm sure it was difficult to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2348.0,2349.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nAn end of an era.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2349.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you wanna say a little bit about why a place that was so beloved, and a home for so many, finally decided to close?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2350.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nWell, I think what it was.... I said to myself, \"It's gonna be hard to replace Tish,\" and I did. I tried different managers. And I'm like, \"This just isn't working. I'm old.\" And the place, at the time, obviously needed another face lift. And I'm saying......—I really, honestly, almost had it sold for a hundred and something thousand dollars less than asking price, to a group of girls who are gonna keep it going. And then, at the very end, they decided not to. So, I tried to keep it going. I wanted to sell it as an ongoing business, but [I] just couldn't do it. Nobody wanted to. But when I did sell it, the person who bought it did buy the business. And, unfortunately, I don't even think he knew it. But, he was in the— he owned, I believe, two jewelry stores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2360.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2430.0,2431.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nAnd at one point in his life, I know the guy was a straight shooter, but he must have bought jewelry and somehow.....you know, you most of stuff comes from overseas, say, you know, wherever, and he didn't pay the tax. Well, that's technically a felony, and he had that on his record, because I bumped into the license commissioner at a restaurant in Beverly. First thing she said, she goes, \"I looked up the history of Lynn, Massachusetts.\" And she goes, \"Nobody has ever sold the liquor license,\" —because they have so many on the shelf —and she goes, \"You're the only one.\" And I goes, \"Oh, that's good.\" She says, \"But I have, I don't know if it's good news or bad news,\" I goes, \"What's that?\" She says, \"We can't give it to him.\" I goes, \"Why?\" She goes, \"He has a felony.\" I goes, \"Oh.\" So, I was shocked. But, so that sort of ended up—.... but he did come to me and say, \"If you ever want that name back,\" you know? Because he purchased the whole thing. I couldn't [reopen Fran's], if I wanted to, back then. [I couldn't open another Fran's,]I think, [in] like a fifty mile radius. And I said, \"Don't worry about it. I won't be doing it.\" But it was nice to know that, you know, he just in case [would let me if] I did decide to. But it's basically age, to answer your question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2431.0,2516.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo your age, Tisha's age, were there any changes otherwise, that contributed to making it more difficult to run a business?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2516.0,2529.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nWell, another—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2529.0,2530.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2530.0,2531.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nThe change that was happening, that we saw, were [that] gay rights were everywhere. We were getting less people. Less gay people, more straight people. The gay people, like Tish and I'll both say, they loved you. They respected you. This was their house. If you two were gay, and she started a fight with you, they'd tend to come over and say, \"Listen, guys,\" you know? \"Calm down.\" But with the straights, it was different. I mean, there was a lot of them [that] got nasty. We were calling the police more than we used to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2531.0,2567.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2567.0,2568.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nAnd I'm like, \"You know what? I don't know if I wanna.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2568.0,2570.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nAnd the other thing, too, was: back in the '80s and the '90s, Fran's was open to two AM,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2570.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2581.0,2582.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nAnd then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2582.0,2584.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\n—06. Right up to '06. 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2584.0,2587.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\n2006, Mayor Clancy, and I say his name 'cause he's [dead]. He rolled the hours back to one o'clock, while Revere which is five minutes [away], they were welcoming. They didn't care if you were gay, straight, what[ever.] They were welcoming everybody. And so, people would leave before one o'clock to go to Revere, to be for that last hour. That really hurt the business. As it became, like, permanent— that's the only way I could put it, because we were fighting it, and anything else —As it became permanent, we still got some good business and still had great nights. But, the hard part was competing with Boston[, whose bars close at] two o'clock. That was the hard part. Even the police that worked that shift, because their shift ended at......it was five to one, and most other places that.......—like, in Gloucester, I know the police shifts are: eight to four, four to twelve, twelve to eight. So, they even had that extra hour when their shift was over, that they to go to— in Gloucester, the bars closed at one. They still could go to a bar. With the Lynn Police, the way they had it [was] at one o'clock, there's a shift change. The bars are closing. They have to do roll call, and stuff. So between quarter of one, and quarter passed one, if you had a problem— which they always said, \"Call the police,\" —if you had a problem, it took forever for a police to come. But when they did come, they were super, super cool to us. That's the one thing. When.... Alright, perfect example: when Pulse, the incident at Pulse happened. The police chief assigned two cruisers to sit outside of Frans': one on one side, and one on the other, for the whole time, until it was......—and that, to me, was above and beyond the call of duty. And I had to be the one to go in and open, the next.....—after that shooting, I was the first one to go in and, I'm like panicing, and the cops like: \"Tish, you gonna be okay?\" I said, \"Yeah.\" He says, \"Well, we're here. We'll be outside. Every shift will be someone out here while you're open.\" And I was like, \"Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.\" I made sure that I would go out and say, \"Hey, we got some snacks. Do you want some snacks? Do you want some water or anything?\" I made sure [that] I went out there and took care of them, because they took care of me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2587.0,2814.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nJay, you were mentioning that there was one other contributing factor to the closing of the bar. I was hoping you could talk about that briefly, and then I'd also like both of you to maybe talk a little bit about the relationship between the Lynn Police, and the gay community. The anecdote that you just shared, was certainly a very touching and positive one. I have suspicion that that may not have always been the case. Although, of course, Fran's had a unique relationship with the police. So, if you could just start with your other thought about why you needed to close, and then if each of you could talk about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2814.0,2855.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. The other major contributing factor was [that] they were redoing, rezoning and redoing, the whole area that I was in, over. And I sort of was told, by different counselors, that eventually, they're gonna want this building. \"Doesn't mean they might not want you to stay there. But they're gonna want this building.\" And then I'm saying to myself, \"They're already building condos next door.\" Many times, he and I, when we went in front of the licensing board, for different things, non-related— I mean nothing ever serious —one of the biggest complaints [that we heard] was noise from bars that were in residential areas. And I'm saying, \"Do I really wanna start dealing with this?\" That you invest all this money, you fix up your building. This one's complaining. \"Oh, there's people leaving, and they're talking loud at night, they're swearing. Bop bop bop bop bop a boo.\" So I mean, that was the other main factor, and I think that one really put the frosting on the cake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2855.0,2919.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd, how about the subject of the police?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2919.0,2922.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nThe police?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2922.0,2923.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI think each of you have a slightly different interpretation of this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2923.0,2926.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nWell, I......even back in the old days, like I say, I have to contribute this to my parents, they were always very tight with the police. And in the older days, we were very tight with the police, and we had...—Tish had one personal friend that was a police officer, and then there was another female police officer that was a patron from Lynn. And so I mean, that was their in. I mean, our 'in'. They just always treated us nice. I mean, I'd be driving home at night, they'd always wave. They know who you were. I mean, a lot of times, you're just saying, \"How does this guy know me?\" But they had their ways, but I just felt like I don't have anything bad to say about the Lynn Police.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2926.0,2977.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nI really don't have anything bad to say about them. It's because the ones that......—they're all retired are dead, the ones from way back when. And some of them were just so old school that no matter what, they just...— that's how they were. It was old school, and then the newer ones, then the young ones. Even right now, the young bicycle cops that ride around the city, they stop at where I live. They'll stop and talk with us. They're just super, and god forbid anybody uses the word \"'faggot' [or] 'queer'. Keep it up. This is— this is an actual, true story. There was a straight guy causing a problem, and I called the police, they came. And then he's like, \"You're not gonna believe that fag, that goddamn queer over there, over me??\" And the policeman said, \"You have two seconds to shut your mouth. You call him a queer, or you call him a fag one more time, and I'm charging you with a hate crime, too.\" Like I said, they have, after......—the new generation, which was.... like, a lot of them are my age now, but they weren't so close minded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=2977.0,3086.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd do you have an idea roughly when that shift took place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3086.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nI'm gonna say, the basic changeover was in 1996, thereabouts. Because of this: when I started the Latino night on Sundays, it was so busy that I hired a detail for every Sunday night, because I wanted to make sure there was gonna be no problems. I didn't want any problems outside. They['d] see a cruiser across the street in the parking lot of the school. And, like I said, it was a Latino night, and that was one of the big things in Lynn, too, that these Latino bars didn't.....they just did what they wanted to do, most of them. We went by the rules. That was the main thing, and that's what— how we got our respect. I have respect from the Lynn Licensing board: the chairman of the Lynn Licensing Board is Pat Barton, and she and I are very close. Peggy.....—actually all three of them that are on there. I know all three of them, and it's like, \"Hey, Tish. How you doing? How's everything?\" —and they'll always ask me, \"Do you miss Fran's?\" And you know what my answer is? I don't miss Fran's. I miss the people. I think it's not an insult. It's...—because the people is what made Fran's: the people that came there, they're what made Fran's, and what made me. That's how I look at it. And when I did my final drag show, I did a Celine Dion song, and it was: \"Because You Love Me,\" from.....it was one of the theme songs from one of the movies. [I did] that, and \"My Heart Will Go On,\" and that's when waterworks started, because they were..... If it wasn't for the people at Fran's, all the people supporting me during the drag, and being there, I wouldn't have been who I am. I probably would have been some quiet little mouse in a corner. And my heart will go on. It was sad for the bar to close, but my life will go on, and I will still remain in touch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3090.0,3287.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIt sounds like, universally, and we hear this across all the interviews, that Fran's was very much a place of community and connection, and the people are the ones who made that up. It also sounds like, from both of you on the whole, [a] very positive relationship with the police department [was maintained.] I'm wondering if you saw any violence, either people being harassed going in and out of the bar, or if there was ever any violence in the bar among customers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3287.0,3328.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3328.0,3328.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. Go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3328.0,3328.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nEvery so often. Especially when they changed [the law] that you had the smoke outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3328.0,3335.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nNo smoke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3335.0,3336.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYou'd have asswipes coming from down off the Lynnway, and coming down Washington Street, and they would throw eggs, they would throw bottles. One time we were just standing outside, and it was— I was dressed as a boy —and they threw a trailer hitch at us!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3336.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. You definitely had your moments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3360.0,3362.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYeah. But all in all, like Jay said, if something started, there would be, especially when it came to me, I feel that if somebody was coming up in my face, there'd be thirty or forty lesbians behind them, ready to beat them. And then there was the straight guys, that wanna beat the ones that are picking on me. It was like a whole big family. And the straight people, that did come in there all the time, most of them were like family. There was always a few oddballs, but that happens in any bar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3362.0,3411.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nBut we had a great door staff, and we also had great security.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3411.0,3415.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3415.0,3418.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nAnd, you know, these guys would.....—I always told them, \"Do not hit, unless it's strictly self defense.\" And I mean, like you say, they always had plenty of backup, because the the customers, it was— it was unbelievable how everyone looked after each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3418.0,3436.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWho was Joe the cop?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3436.0,3438.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nHe was my detail on Sunday nights. He had heard that I was looking for a detail. I was looking for actually Spanish officer, because I needed them to be able to speak Spanish, and he's from Spain. And— (*coughing*) excuse me, he came in with another friend of his, that was one of our customers, and we sat and talked, and I said to him, \"You realize what kind of bar.\" He goes, \"Yeah, I know where we're at.\" And he's 'out', meaning, he's out and he enjoyed it, working there on the Sunday nights. He loved it, because he met new people also, and got to be friendly with a lot of them. When business started to drop down on Sundays because of the two o'clock thing, he came up to me and he goes, \"Tish. You don't need to head me anymore.\" And I went, \"What?\" He goes, \"I'm firing myself.\" He says, \"Because there's been no problems. There's nothing.\" He says, \"I'll be around if you need me. Just call the station, and I'll come right down.\" But he says, \"It's senseless for you to pay out to have a detail when you have half the crowd of what you had before.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3438.0,3554.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nBut but the other little thing about Joe, was he did get a little static from the police department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3554.0,3561.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3561.0,3561.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nThe chief of police, and I don't know why— you're in a city that has bars with all kinds of problems, did not want his police officer's babysitting bars. And I think he went through a little static, taking...—doing what he did. There wasn't anything they could do about it, but it was like, \"I'm suggesting you don't do this,\" but he did it anyway. There was nothing, you know, the police could do. But I'm just saying, it wasn't as easy as for him as a police officer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3561.0,3594.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3594.0,3595.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nBut fortunately, by then, everything was out in the open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3595.0,3598.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nWell, that was— It's— That was more about, also, that they didn't wanna send police officers to different bars because there was always...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3598.0,3612.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. Violence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3612.0,3612.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nThey knew the troubled bars. and the troubled bars were like: \"Well, Fran's has the detail. Why don't we get a detail?\" And that's what the issue was, basically. Because the trouble bars were the ones that were getting their licenses pulled, and they decided afterwards, \"Well, maybe if we hire a detail....\" Well, the details didn't want to do those bars either, because there was shootings, stabbings, and these were......—but now, there are so many empty bars in Lynn. Places that used to be bars, that aren't bars anymore....Like one of the main bars that was always in trouble, is now a physical therapy place. Another one turned into restaurant, instead of being just a bar. Another one closed, and the liquor store that was next door, that owned the building, enlarged the liquor store. So, there's a lot of the bars that were bad, but they're all gone now. There's very few bars to go to in Lynn, now. And, I mean— not that I worry about go in. There are some that I wouldn't go in by myself, but If I'm with people, I'll go in. But.... it's got...—they used to be scary, and now they've kinda calmed down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3612.0,3729.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI wanna, maybe, just go back a little bit, and ask a few questions to fill in some gaps. I wanna start with, the origins of The Lighouse Cafe. What do you know, Jay, about when it started? How and why it started, and the significance of the name itself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3729.0,3754.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nMy grandparents, on my dad's side, were right from Ireland. So they obviously were immigrants coming to the United States, resided in Lynn. I never really met my grandfather. All I can say is what I've heard. I mean, his dream was to have pub, and he originally opened up a pub in Lynn, and I don't know if it was called The Lighthouse, or something else. All I do know, is [that] when he passed, my father moved the location to where The Lighthouse, and Fran's, presently was. That's the origin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3754.0,3802.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd what year is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3802.0,3804.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nI would say my parents [moved it] probably in the middle 40s. And I know that definitely was The Lighthouse. I'm sorry, what was the other question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3804.0,3819.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, the other question was about the origin of the name, or do you know anything about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3819.0,3825.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nI don't know. The only thing I can think of is the Lynnway. I don't know if you're familiar with Lynn, but where Fran's was, now is right across the street is North Shore Community College. That was some other factories, right there. Behind that is the other side of the Lynnway. That wasn't there. That's all fill. The boats would actually pull up [there]. We used— that was another thing The Lighthouse was noted for. We used to get a lot of navy people. But then when it became gay, it was technically supposed to be off limits to the servicemen, but they still came. It's just if you didn't get any trouble, nobody would know. I can remember my father talking about that. So I'm thinking, and I think there is a lighthouse right around that corner, and I don't know if that was maybe [it.] You know? The move, and the lighthouse. You know? It's near the ocean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3825.0,3888.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWere your grandparents and parents always in Beverly, or had they originally lived in Lynn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3888.0,3893.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nMy dad grew up in Lynn. It's funny, my mother, her grandparents were right from Italy, and they resided in Beverly, and he worked for the United Shoe [Manufacturing Company], which was a big factory in Beverly. So that's, uh.....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3893.0,3916.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThanks for that! Maybe we could also talk a little bit more about the AIDS crisis in the 1980s. Did either of you remember when you first learned about this epidemic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3916.0,3932.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOkay. We had.....back in, I'm gonna say in 1980, you started hearing about it. But, we didn't hear it really about anybody in Lynn having it. 1981, you heard a little more. 1982, all of a sudden people were coming into Fran's and they were like, \"I have it.\" And, I mean, we would be in tears. The different ones that would come. You know? I'm trying to console them, and everything else. It was bad because, as everybody well knows, that the government didn't do shit until Rock Hudson. After that, it's like everything went [crazy.] But those beginning years, like I said, in the '80s, you didn't hear it. You only heard about it, like, in New York [or] San Francisco. You didn't hear about [it in] Boston or Lynn. Then, little by little, you started [to hear about it.] Then a little, went to big, big, big, big. And we, in the first.......I'm gonna say '82 is one [year] that the first couple of people that we knew [had] gotten the disease, and passed. Then all of a sudden, it was like nonstop. It was like almost every other week, somebody that was one of our customers [or] different customers' friends or partners, passed. It was— And back then, it was another thing that went against [us, was:] \"It's the gay disease.\" You people— and I will never forget this as long as I live— This brings me back to Gloucester. The restaurant was sold, I had started working for Jay, and I happened to go down to visit some of the old waitresses I worked with, because they were working at another restaurant. And one of them come up to me, she goes, \"You know, every time I hear the word AIDS, I think of you.\" And I was devastated. Absolutely devastated. I didn't know what to say. I actually told one of my friends, and they said, \"Well, she's an ignorant Italian that doesn't know when to shut her mouth.\" Come to find out this person that she put on a pedestal because he was gay, he was a teacher. He died of AIDS, and he lived right next door to her. Like I said, I was devastated. Her saying: \"Every time she heard the word AIDS, she thought of me.\" And I was like, \"I am blessed, blessed, that I am still HIV negative.\" I thought for sure— and I even told this to my mother, god rest her soul, —that: \"Ma, you know, I should be dead by now.\" And she said, \"What?\" I said, \"Because I should've had AIDS and died.\" —Because of how long I was out. I was out in the middle of that crisis, and I was sexually active. And [then] what what happened, my mother gets up— my mother's only, it was only five [foot] two, and there's me —WHOP!, Right in the head! \"Don't talk like that.\" But, doing the AIDS benefits during the crisis and everything was, like, my......oh, what's the word I want? I had to do it. It was one thing that I was passionate about, and I tried to get as many entertainers as possible to come. As far as......like, we would put out flyers. We'd invite the straight people that we knew from City Hall, or [the] Housing Authority, and stuff like that. We invited them, and they came, and they contributed, and they were there for us. That, to me, is why I was so passionate about it, and making sure— because I had lost so many friends, and Fran's had lost so many employees due to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=3932.0,4305.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nMh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4305.0,4305.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nMh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4305.0,4306.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. I wouldn't blame the government so much, because they did specify— unlike this current virus —[AIDS] was [transmissible] if you were sexually active, or through needles. Blood was the only way you were gonna get it. Not saliva. Because I was nervous about that, thinking you know, because for a while —Remember we went to plastic just to make people feel comfortable? But then, as they made it sort of brainwashed into you, that you are not —I mean, I used to have people [say:] \"How can you go over there with age? You're gonna get AIDS.\" I'm like, \"You can't get AIDS unless you have sex with somebody, or you're shooting up with them,\" you know, drugs. And, so I thought the government was pretty fair about that. You know? I just wanted to put my two cents in about that. I think today, I don't know if I trust them as much as I did back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4306.0,4368.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYeah. I imagine [that] Tisha was probably referred to the right administration that kind of knew about it. And did not particularly—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4368.0,4375.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4375.0,4376.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4376.0,4376.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nExactly. And my thing is, because they called it \"The Gay disease,\" and everything. Coming from a gay person, I'm gonna have a completely different view than a straight person on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4376.0,4390.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4390.0,4390.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nBecause there's—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4390.0,4391.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nWell, that was the slang part of it. Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4391.0,4393.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYeah. I mean, that was the big thing, was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4393.0,4395.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nThat was people saying that, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4395.0,4397.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYes. Exactly. And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4397.0,4401.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nJust to give us a sense of how big, and deep, and vast, and tragic this was, can you give me a ballpark on the number of friends, acquaintances, and customers, that you knew, that were lost to AIDS?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4401.0,4423.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nIn the thousands. Seriously. In the thousands, of people that I've known they've died from AIDS. I have......—biologically, he's not my son, but he's my son. He's been with me since he was eighteen. He worked at the bar. He's gay. He is HIV positive, and I'm there for him. And he— he's my son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4423.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nBut, he survived because of modern medicine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4470.0,4472.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nHe takes care of himself. He does. And if he tells me, \"I have a doctor's appointment.\" My fat ass is upstairs, because he lives in my building, and it's: \"Good to go.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4472.0,4484.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4484.0,4485.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYou know? The kid's a good kid. He's had his issues, but didn't we all when we were younger? He's gonna be fifty in August.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4485.0,4502.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIt's funny how quickly eighteen becomes fifty!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4502.0,4504.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nI know. And that's how long he's been with me, and that's why, like, he's been referred to as my son. Even in the housing, where we live, they refer to him as my son. My mother referred to him as my son, and they were grandma and grandpa to him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4504.0,4528.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, it sounds like as tragic and as awful this was, the crisis did spur on a certain kind of activism, and social responsibility, among both the patrons and the employees at Fran's. And, as I understand it, your fundraisers would go beyond AIDS, and more just generally oriented on bettering the community. Do you wanna say a little bit about some of the other things you guys did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4528.0,4561.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYeah. We've done fundraisers for some of the politicians. Perfect example: Hong Net. He's a counselor at large in Lynn. That man is top notch in my book. He's top notch. He had two of his fundraisers at Fran's. And someone said to him— and I was standing right there —and someone said to him, \"Why did you have your fundraiser here at Fran's? It's a gay bar.\" And he looked at— and the guy was looking at me and saying it —and Hong Net turned around, and said, \"I would rather have one hundred people like Tish being in this room than you,\" and the person left. But, like you said, fundraisers [that] we did for the United Way, on different things. We did [one for] breast cancer. We did [one] for children's hospital at first, but then we switched that over to the AIDS epidemic. It was for Boston Children's hospital, at first. But then when AIDS[ took over], we felt appropriate that it needed to be [discussed]. That night was always called \"The Night Of A Hundred Stars.\" You may have come in there and said, \"Well, there might not be a hundred people in here,\" And I was usually the emcee, and I would say, \"This is 'The Night Of A Hundred Stars'. There's not a hundred performers. [We] might have thirty, but the stars in this place tonight are all of you,\" and it worked. That was my opening line every single year, and we did it on Black Friday. It was one of the biggest nights in Lynn, with people coming from everywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4561.0,4719.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nOh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4719.0,4722.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you wanna say a little bit about drag? —In two regards: the first is, why do people gay and straight love it so much? And number two: tell about the joy of being a drag performer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4722.0,4741.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOkay. As far as why people enjoy it so much, because it, especially a few years back, it was one of the most entertaining things to see. People impersonating other celebrities, and stuff. It gave them the show. It gave them a night out. But it was more [that] they loved the drag shows because of, one: it could be the performer [and] who they are portraying. Two: the costumes. And the costumes were— some of them were— some of the queens just did minor things, then you had other queens, like me, who did elaborate [acts]. To me, it wasn't.....I didn't look at myself as being a tranny, I looked at myself as a drag queen performer, because I enjoyed going through [the process:] putting on all the makeup, and making my whole identity change. But I also, at the end of the night, enjoyed taking it off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4741.0,4843.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat about the other performers? How would they have described either their sexuality, or their gender identity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4843.0,4853.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nThat's a hard question for me to answer because, with all these new terms that have come out in the gay community: like the 'transgender' — you don't call people 'trannies' anymore, and pansexual, and this, and that. I'm so confused. I'm confused, and I'm sixty eight years old. [When] I came out, you were [either] gay, straight, or bisexual, or a drag queen —[or]transitioning, I should say, instead of a drag queen: transitioning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4853.0,4899.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nTransitioning Was that a term used back then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4899.0,4903.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nMeaning going from a male [to a female]. A lot of my friends that were queens, and doing shows, they were on hormones. They were transitioning over from being a male to a female, and the way they could work, and make good money, was by doing drag shows. And because they're still a mean, because they still have the (*pointing*), but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4903.0,4937.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIt sounds like there's a wide variety of terms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4937.0,4940.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOh, yes. Like, I'm gonna give an example and it's not.... it's not a bad way, but, when I first met T Nash, she was the girl. Completely. And then, afterwards, when I saw her at pride, she came running up to give me a big hug. I realized that she [was] transitioning. I'm happy for her because she's happy. I should say him. And that's another thing that's confusing me, is all these things that, you know....Keep it one thing. You're adding all these new things and then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4940.0,4997.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nThe pronouns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4997.0,4998.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYeah, and people are getting confused. I get more people asking me that question. And I'm like, \"I don't know what to say.\" Because, to me: I'm gay. I'm a drag queen. That was basically [it:] a drag queen and performer. I'm not a lesbian and not transitioning. But, the biggest thing is: I'm a human.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=4998.0,5034.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nJay, has anyone ever called you a gay ally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5034.0,5041.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\n[*Laughs*]. I've been called gay many times. I don't really think so? No. But I will say one thing, going back to the female impersonators and the transgenders, there were some that came in that lived— you know, males —that lived their life as a female: went to work as a female, looked like a female. I mean, not all of them do. But, you know, I thought that was interesting that they didn't hide their identity, and this is back when things were just starting to turn a little bit. I'm trying to think of the girl's name that worked in the bank. Shaquia? Was it Shateq? Shekay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5041.0,5087.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nSheikha? She worked in a a doctor's office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5087.0,5091.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nOh, a doctor's office. Ther ewas another one who worked in a bank, but she really was a good looking girl, and I think she had probably everything done except for.....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5091.0,5102.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nNope! She has everything done. She is a full fledged woman. For about twenty years now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5102.0,5106.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nOh really? I never went there!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5106.0,5109.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. She was one of the first queens that I got from outside of Fran's to come perform at Fran's. She used to work at 'The Green Apple', which was a straight bar that had drag queen performers. But Sheikha, when I met her, she.....—I'm gonna say she was like eighteen, nineteen years old. She already had her breasts. She had a little bit worked on her face. She had started the operation down below, but she still had her penis. But, she went to work as a woman. She's had the sex change. She got married to the man— he was older, he passed away. Now, she's into doing real estate in Norwood. So, I mean, she, like he said, she was gorgeous. And I'm talking [*traces hourglass*] body, and not being held in with corsets, or anything. She could wear a bikini and you'd go: [*dramatically stares*]. You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5109.0,5201.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo both of you havetaken note of the changing nature of what we now call the LGBTQ+ community, some of the changes in pronouns, et cetera. I think it's accurate to say that, for a long time in this history [that] we've been discussing, it's been a story of progress, and liberation, and acceptance. At the same time, in the last few years, there does feel like there's been of a a bit of a backlash—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5201.0,5236.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5236.0,5237.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\n—against the community. I'm wondering, are you feeling optimistic or pessimistic about the future, in this regard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5237.0,5247.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nI feel optimistic about it. I think everything's going good, and where the community is putting.......They're standing out for themselves, now. Before, they would back away. I mean, we'll go to.....—like the marriage rights: I had to fight for that even, though I'm not married. Different things like that. People were afraid back then to [pass that] because of the time. But I'm looking at it now, and I'm saying.....I look at some of these young kids, and I'm like, \"You know what? They're too gay for their own good.\" Because if I acted like that when I was their age, I would be dead. They would have beat the shit out of me. And some of them, they just— they had—.... It so much easier now to come out, and be yourself. That's all you can ask, is for people to understand, and accept you as a human and not an 'it'. —Because that's how we were referred to back then: \"It.\" You know? And every other thing. These young kids, I think...... it's a good thing. It's a good thing. And I have a thousand and one of them that, from the bar, the young ones, that when they see me, they come running, and give me a hug, and kiss, and said, \"Mama!\" —because they they consider me their drag mama. It's gratifying. And we'll stand there and we'll hug, and kiss, and there's other people, straight people, around, and they don't dare say a word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5247.0,5392.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow about you, Jay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5392.0,5394.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nI think, to answer your question, I think it's great that they've been going up, but— I don't know how you feel, [but] I think we're at a little plateau. And it's starting to get a little confusing. Like you say, with pronouns? [It's] almost, to someone that doesn't quite understand it, [for them] to say, \"You're kidding me.\" I think— I— I feel, and you probably feel the same way, you're accepted. You're considered classy people now. You're open. You can be a politician, a cop: any career. You wanna be [a] doctor, [a] lawyer. And I'm wondering what they say, [they] meaning a younger [person]— because I have a brother-in-law that's gay, married— And, he's in his fifties, and he's like, \"I don't buy all this stuff. I don't think it makes us look good.\" That was his comment. It's not mine. And it's just...... I think right now, it's a little teeny bizarre with all the....you know? I shouldn't say bizarre, just,.....confusing to people that don't understand it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5394.0,5477.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nIt's confusing to me, and I am gay!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5477.0,5478.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nAnd you're gay! I know! It's, I think people are afraid to how to approach [it.] What do I say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5478.0,5485.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nExactly. Because I like, when you asked me that question, I didn't know how to answer it. I don't know how to answer certain things. And they'll say, \"Well, you're old, and you should know this.\" No! You people have changed things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5485.0,5501.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5501.0,5501.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nAnd if you are not one hundred percent involved in things that the community is doing, you tend to not be up to date on every little thing that happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5501.0,5519.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. Definitely. It's a young—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5519.0,5520.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nBeing at the bar, I was up to date on everything because I would see it every day. Like I said, we didn't have the pansexuals, and this, and that. And I am.....—like the people that came out and.....like, Wayne Brady came out as Pansexual. I just found that out recently. But, I don't know why they don't just say bisexual, because, back in my day, that's what what you were. Pansexual was the love of everybody, and bisexual was you love both sexes. I mean, they keep changing it, and then, if you're not right there on the ball, it gets very confusing. And especially......alright, the new pride flag, with the the brown, and the pink. To me, the pride flag —and it will always be red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, and red on the top, or red to the right, depending on how you hang the flag. That's how it will always be. Those other flags, I get confused. I had to ask Coco, the year that I got the award from the city council, and the mayor, I had to ask him, \"When did these flags change?\" And he says, \"Maybe a couple of years ago,\" and I was like, \"I don't understand it,\" and I said, \"And it's hard to explain it to other people.\" Then one of the ladies in my building, she goes on the computer, so she printed out all the gay flags, and try to say what this one meant, what this one meant. I was like, \"You know what? The rainbow flag is the rainbow flag, and that's it —to me.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5520.0,5658.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, I guess every generation makes its own change, and certainly, Fran's was an amazing part of Lynn's history. Maybe we'll just conclude with each of you saying a brief few words of tribute to Fran's Place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5658.0,5683.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tisha Sterling\n\nOkay. Like I said, I am blessed. I feel blessed that I.....—it gave me the opportunity to be me. It gave me a lot more confidence in myself. The biggest thing: the people that I met. That is one thing that I miss the most at Fran's. All those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5683.0,5726.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jay Collins\n\nYeah. I would say for me, [it was] meeting a lot of nice people, saving a lot of people, helping a lot of people. One thing we didn't talk about was [that] we many little, teeny, small fundraisers for people who [had] lost loved ones, [and] that couldn't afford to even bury them. And I mean, people that would come in that were basically tossed out of their house. Just knowing that you were helping, more than hurting, and [having] a place to go. It'll always be a part of your life. Every single one of my kids went to Fran's as they get older. And they appreciated it. I mean, my daughter went to Providence College. A couple of her best friends were gay, that went to Fran's. My son used to work the door —my oldest son. And then, Mark, he was the younger one, but he did go a few times before I sold. It's just a part of life that was very interesting, very educational, [and I'm] extremely happy for them. I hope they keep continuing up. I think they've pretty much got everything they want. It's just maybe [that] I'm just old, but I just think some of these pronouns, and it's— it's just confusing to me. It's like, just don't go backwards in life, meaning you're gonna start irritating people. Whether it might be, you know, you're gone to court, and the lawyer says the wrong term to you. You know? You're just making it ugly, sorta like politics is today. No matter which side you're on, people hate you. And it's like, so I— I— I just hope and pray. I like where it is, but you know what? If they want to continue on, I guess it's.....—I just hate to see it go backwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223#t=5726.0,5846.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/127395/file/239223/transcript/68892/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, thank you both for your many years of service to this incredible institution, and, of course, for coming and talking with us 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