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They are graduates of St. Joseph Academy, Northeastern, and the University of Massachusetts at Lowell. They met while working at the General Electric Plant in Lynn, where they led unionization efforts for workers’ rights and removing discrimination against female employees. They each speak fondly of their time in Lynn, a place of remarkable tolerance and diversity, where they raised their son Peter and became accepted community members. Their joint interview from January 2024 discusses their individual life trajectories, feminism, labor unions, activism, marriage equality, and LGBTQ+ parenting. \u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eResidents of Lynn from 1978 to 1990, Marcia Hams and Susan Shepherd became in May 2004 the first same-sex couple in the United States to apply for and receive a marriage license. \u0026nbsp;Marcia, born in 1952 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, was raised in a middle-class family where she was the eldest of three children. She would graduate from Scottsdale High School, Pomona College, and receive her MA from Boston University. Born in 1947, Susan Shepherd was raised by her mother in a Polish enclave in South Boston while living with her grandmother and uncle. They are graduates of St. Joseph Academy, Northeastern, and the University of Massachusetts at Lowell. They met while working at the General Electric Plant in Lynn, where they led unionization efforts for workers\u0026rsquo; rights and removing discrimination against female employees. They each speak fondly of their time in Lynn, a place of remarkable tolerance and diversity, where they raised their son Peter and became accepted community members. Their joint interview from January 2024 discusses their individual life trajectories, feminism, labor unions, activism, marriage equality, and LGBTQ+ parenting.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Through A Rainbow Lens"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Through A Rainbow Lens"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/255/original/Aviary_TRL_Header.png?1704389184","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/230/087/small/Marcia_Hams_and_Susan_Shepherd_February_19_2024_2024-02-19_21-38-23.mp4_1709056066.jpg?1709056069","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Marcia_Hams_and_Susan_Shepherd_February_19_2024_2024-02-19_21-38-23.mp4"]},"duration":4086.656,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/230/087/small/Marcia_Hams_and_Susan_Shepherd_February_19_2024_2024-02-19_21-38-23.mp4_1709056066.jpg?1709056069","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-unitedlynnpride.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/230/087/original/Marcia_Hams_and_Susan_Shepherd_February_19_2024_2024-02-19_21-38-23.mp4?1709056058","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":4086.656,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Marcia Hams and Susan Shepherd transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nToday's date is February 19th, 2024. My name is Andrew Darien and I'm a Professor of History at Salem State University. I'm conducting this interview as part of the Mass Humanities-funded project \"Through a Rainbow Lens: a Reflection on Lynn's LGBTQ+ History.\" I am truly honored to be joined today by Marcia Hams and Susan Shepherd, who lived in Lynn from 1978 until 1990, and in 2004 became the first same sex couple in Massachusetts to file an intent to marry. I'd like to begin just by confirming that I have your permission to record this conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams and Susan Shepherd\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=45.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nTerrific. Thank you. As I mentioned earlier, I'm hoping we can learn a little bit about each of your childhoods, Marcia we'll start with you. You were born in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in 1947, where I believe both of your folks were from, and then you eventually went to high school in Scottsdale, which I believe is in Arizona. What do you consider to be your hometown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=47.0,79.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nThat's a very good question. I suppose Grand Rapids. We spent— we left there when I was eleven, then we went to [the] Chicago area for five years, and then Phoenix, where I only lived for a year. So I guess Grand Rapids is ultimately my hometown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=79.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how would you describe the area in Grand Rapids where you grew up? What was it like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=96.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was a neighborhood with lots of friendly neighbors, and kids that we played with. I often, actually, compare it to Lynn, the way that it felt when our son was growing up, till he was ten, in Lynn— that it was a comfortable, sorta supportive area, particularly being a kid. Then we moved from there to the suburbs outside of Chicago. [It] definitely felt different. But yeah, that's kind of what it was like. And my grandparents lived there, and my aunts and uncles. Most of them started to move away about the time that we did. but, you know.....so we would have family dinners with my grandparents often, and [with] some of my cousins in the area. Yeah, it was a good place to grow up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=106.0,169.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd Susan, you were born in Boston in 1952, raised by your mother who worked in Cambridge, and I believe you went to high school in Brighton. What neighborhood, or neighborhoods, did you grow up in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=169.0,184.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nOh, [I grew up in] one place: South Boston. I lived with my grandmother and my mother, and my uncle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=184.0,195.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how would you have described South Boston in the '50s and '60s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=195.0,201.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nOkay. Well, I have to say, we just came from a book group talking about 'Small Mercies' by Dennis Lehane. I don't know if you've read the book, but not quite like that. But it was— it was— well, we lived in a Polish neighborhood, went to a Polish school, and everybody I knew spoke Polish, except for me. They wouldn't let me speak Polish because we're here now. I went to the same grammar school that my mother went to. My grandmother had actually never been to school in her life. But, by the time I arrived, she wasn't wasn't working. My mother had a good union job, as did my my uncle, [who] worked for the Teamsters. And, it was a lot of— A lot of life was centered around the church, Our Lady of Częstochowa, and that's what we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=201.0,268.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd would you describe your family as very religious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=268.0,275.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nHard to say what that means when you're a Catholic! You know? No. No. My mother sure wasn't. But, we went to church every week. My grandmother was, of a sort. I think it's just a cultural thing. It's just what you did. I would say that they weren't very strict. Obviously my mother had me and she wasn't married, so let's just go from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=275.0,312.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow about your family, Marcia? Were they religious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=312.0,316.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWell, I lived with my parents and my two brothers, and we went to the Episcopal Church. And we used to go regularly, but my mother became very disillusioned with it when she was going through some rough times, and didn't feel like she was getting any kind of help from them. So, she found the Unitarian Church, the Universalist Church, where we actually go now, when I was eleven, just before we left Grand Rapids. My aunt and uncle went there, too. That became an important part of my life when I was teenager, after we moved to the Chicago area —and in their lives too. They were active at the UU Church in Hinsdale in the Chicago area, and then in Phoenix after we moved there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=316.0,367.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd what was your relationship like with your siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=367.0,371.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was good. I have— I was the— I'm the oldest so I can rule the roost. My brother......one brother is three years younger than me, and the other was eight years younger. He's now gone. So, particularly my brother that's closest in age, we were....y'know, we got along well, [but] we had our fights. Yeah. It was a good relationship with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=371.0,406.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd Susan, you didn't grow up with any siblings, but you were in a multi-generational household. Was there much extended family around other than your mother and grandmother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=406.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah. Well, of course, it was with Granny's house. And in those days, everybody came to Granny's house on Sunday. So my two uncles, my Uncle John and my Uncle Frank, they would come. And, at that point, John had five kids and Frank had two, so I'd get seven more kids in the house, which was great. It was great. I wasn't used to the idea of all of them beating the hell out of each other, like siblings do, but it was fun for me. And I became close to them, and I'm still close to them. Both my uncles worked at the GE [General Electric], so that's how I got there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=420.0,465.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow would you have described your family's class background, and how do you think that shaped your view of the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=465.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nMy beautiful world! Well, not always beautiful, but...Oh, definitely working class. Although, like I said, my grandmother pretty much washed floors for a living. She was widowed when my mother was seventeen, and she had five kids that she took care of by herself. I still can't figure out how she did that, and worked, but she did. So, that's where we started from. My mother never finished high school, [and] neither did my uncle that lived with us. But they had good union jobs because they're white people. That's how that works. She worked at the B.F. Goodrich —In fact, her sister worked there, too: my Aunt Mary. But, I didn't know her that well. And like my godmother worked there[,too:] all that kind of stuff. All the girls went one place, and all the boys went to the GE. And, you know—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=474.0,549.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow aware of racial difference and privilege were you at the time [you were] growing up? Or is that something—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=549.0,557.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nNot [much] at that point, but that came later. That certainly came later. I mean, because, like we were talking about today, I got out of high school in 1969. I went to Catholic school for twelve years, so I wasn't affected by the busing situation. But, you couldn't live in South Boston and not understand what was going on, no matter what side of it you were on in that. And so, I came to understand a lot really quick. I mean, as being Polish people in an Irish town, you get left out of a lo. We understood what it was like to be left out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=557.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow did your family react to the forced busing of the '70s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=600.0,606.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWell, my mother, —because I had left home by the time I was ninteen, I moved across the bridge to Dorchester, because school didn't work out.—But my mother, she'd go out there. She couldn't stand it, that there were grown people [that] would stand next to small children, and scream at them, the way they were in Southie. So, she'd go out there and yell at the people [that were] yelling at the kids. And I'd say, \"Ma, you're gonna get killed out there.\" But she didn't care. She was, \"Ah, I'll pack a—\" blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. One time she did get into an altercation, because somebody did something to a black bus driver. She just grabbed the kid and took him off to the police. She just felt like it was wrong to be such jerks. That's pretty much the way she felt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=606.0,669.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat do you think gave her the resolve or perspective to go against the grain?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=669.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThat's a good question. I think [it was] because she just had a sense of fairness. I don't think she had a pretty sophisticated political analysis of the situation. But she had lived in New York City for a while, where she had chased her husband's, whatever boat he was on during World War II, wherever it was going to land She had seen a little bit of the world. And I think she felt like she had been treated badly by the institutions that are out there. I think that was the beginning of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=677.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd would you say that fairness and equality was a value that you grew up with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=720.0,728.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah, I would. I would. And she was willing to work hard for......—I think she mostly liked kids. As much as she worked all the time, —sometimes she would work on Saturdays, but I remember in my church, she started this hobby club for the kids. We could go down in the church basement and she did sewing lessons, and carpentry, right? She brought these little saws. But all the boys did the sewing, and all the girls did the carpentry. That made perfect sense to her. She didn't care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=728.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd Marcia, I was wondering, did race play a role in your family's outmigration from Grand Rapids, or do you have any memories of racial politics, either in Grand Rapids or Chicago?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=767.0,785.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI don't from Grand Rapids. I mean, it was a white neighborhood and I probably the...... —So, I wasn't really aware of what was going on, when I was in Grand Rapids. When we moved to the Chicago area, again, the suburb that we were in was white, or my particular neighborhood was [anyways]. There were certainly black kids in the high school. It was actually only later that I, in looking at some of the history of the LaGrange where I lived, that I even understood where black families lived. There was a whole section of the area that I wasn't even really aware of, except for kids being in the— we were a very big high school. But my friends were white, and I didn't really understand the lives of black kids in the school. My mother was a you know.....my— my dad's a civil engineer. We were middle class. My mother didn't go to college, [and] felt very aggrieved by the fact that her family didn't really support her going to college, because her two siblings did. And one of the reasons that we left Grand Rapids was really the relationship with her family. But, she started going to school part-time when we got to the Chicago area, and she actually graduated from college the same year I did, after many years of going part-time. Both of them really emphasized [and] supported me in feeling like I could do whatever I was able to do, and they were really pushing [education. They] really put education first, in many ways. So, it was really not till I was in college that I started getting much more aware of racial issues, through getting involved in the Civil Rights \u003covement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=785.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow would you have described yourself in high school, Marcia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=910.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAh, she's a nerd!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=915.0,917.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWell, you know, it's funny, I was a nerd. But, at the same time, I was sort of getting radicalized by my youth group at the UU church. That's really where I was aware of what was going on politically more. That was certainly true. By the time I got to the my church, the church in Phoenix that last year, our minister was involved in farm worker organizing, and some [parishoners ]went to Selma. Our whole youth group was kinda radical, and really thoughtful. That's kinda where I started getting my sense of the political issues, in a much more direct way. That was '69, I graduated from high school in '65 or '60— Yeah, '65, and I was in college '65 to '69.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=917.0,972.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI definitely want to talk about that a bit, but can I ask Marcia: do you remember who your first crush was on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=972.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nOh, my first crush.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=983.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYou mean a boy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=986.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, it was a boy. So I guess [I was] in eighth grade. I don't remember his name. But I didn't really have boyfriends during in high school until until my senior year after we moved. And that— was then— I met my boyfriend at the Unitarian Church Youth group. And... actually we stayed together until after my first year out of college, even though we went to different schools. I didn't come out until I was twenty four, or twenty three— twenty four, after I moved here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=987.0,1029.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhen did you internally start to think about your sexuality?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1029.0,1038.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYou know, I don't think it was really until the Women's Movement. and after I had moved out here. I remember a couple of times thinking that if I were a lesbian, it would be really frightening. I mean, I remember having thoughts like that. So I don't remember being attracted to women until later, and either I suppressed that, or I wasn't. I'm not sure, but....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1038.0,1074.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you want to maybe say a little bit about what what that fear was exactly?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1074.0,1082.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI have this memory of thinking I'd end up in the gutter. It was very graphic. I would just be lost. Yeah, so it was fear. And even though I, you know, as I— I mean, I actually didn't get involved in the Women's Movement much until I came here to the Boston area, so I wasn't learning much about sexuality as part of that whole political organizing until later. It wasn't really something that I really thought a lot about until then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1082.0,1128.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSusan, do you remember your first crush?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1128.0,1132.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThat's a good question. So, I have to say that when I was a kid, I definitely identified with the boys. There was no two ways about that. And I was very disappointed to find out, at a young age, that I wasn't gonna grow up to be one. And so I've examined a lot of that in recent years, which has been interesting because it explains a lot about my past. So there [were] definitely girls in grammar school who I had little crushes on, but high school was fantastic. I went to an all-girls Catholic high school, and it's amazing what girls will do. There was a bunch of people who liked to experiment in those days. Just like thirteen-year-old stuff, you know? I'm not going to name names because they're all straight now. And...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1132.0,1210.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you remember thinking that this was something that you had to keep a secret?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1210.0,1220.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nObviously not! From who? You know, I mean, this is the thing: my family was sort of like......they didn't really pay any attention to me. You know? I don't think they knew where I was most of the time. I came home...—they lived their lives and I lived mine. That was pretty much it. I went off to Brighton on the subway, and I came back at night sometimes. There wasn't a lot of communication, so I wasn't gonna tell them. They wouldn't have been interested. Why bother them with things they don't need to [worry themselves with?] Not their problem. That was probably not a good idea now that I think of it, but you're only fifteen once, so [you] get through that. I feel like.....—often I feel as though I raised myself and just [tried] to figure all this stuff out myself. I was so happy to find out they were lesbians because now that I wasn't going to be a boy, how was this all going to work? You know? And then I found out that you could go with girls even if you were a girl, which was a huge revelation, and really good news to me. So unlike Marcia, I did not think this was bad news. I was sure that people would be unhappy about it, I guess, but I was pretty happy about it. so I didn't care what they thought. I was a little bit of a punk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1220.0,1314.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat do you mean by that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1314.0,1316.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI did not care what people thought. And I also felt as though they didn't— and you can ask the nuns this, I think it's true —that they didn't have anything that I needed. I had no reason to suck up to them or, I don't know.... I was a little wise-ass, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1316.0,1339.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo if I've got my timing roughly right, Marcia, you must have been a senior in college, and, Susan, you were in high school during the Stonewall riots. Was that anything that was on your radar at the time, or did you only learn of it later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1339.0,1359.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI really learned of it later. I must say, as Susan was talking, I do remember a little experimentation when I was thirteen or fourteen, which I guess I didn't really associate with being a lesbian because it didn't scare me at the time, so maybe I just to put that out of my mind. But no, I don't remember. I don't remember. I mean that doesn't mean that I wasn't aware of it if I don't remember being aware of it. I'm certainly aware of, you know.......—I mean, it kind of went along with the beginnings of the Women's Movement, the GBLT, the gay movement, and civil rights, which is just all part of what was really important to me at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1359.0,1402.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYou were on the West Coast then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1402.0,1403.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI was on the West Coast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1403.0,1404.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI certainly saw it on the news.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1404.0,1406.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYeah[, I must have as well]. I'm certain of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1406.0,1408.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo you remember seeing it on the news, Susan? What did you think as a punk?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1408.0,1415.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAs a punk? Well, I don't know. It looked like fun to me! That's sort of, you know...... it's a little scary. I mean, because then I was seventeen in 1969, when I was getting out of high school, and I was already going to the bars because we had places like the Bay Village and the Other Side, all you had to do is reach over the bar and they'd serve you. I didn't know..... It was an adventure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1415.0,1447.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nMarcia, what brought you out east?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1447.0,1451.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI came out to go to graduate school. I went to college in Southern California, and then I actually spent a year in West Africa because I was an Anthropology Major, and I spent a year in West Africa, and then I came out to BU [Boston University] to go to their Anthropology and African Studies program. That was, that was '72. Yeah. So I stayed there, I finished my Master's, but I started getting very disillusioned or not interested in staying in academia, partly because of getting involved in organizing in the Women's Movement. I started teaching at the Women's School in Cambridge: Women's History, Black History, and so it really took me away from what I had expected I was going to do with my life. I really was looking for a way to make organizing part of my life, and make a difference in the world that way. I kinda came back from West Africa, [which] was an incredibly important experience in my life, but I felt like I what I was studying was not really contributing to what was needed there, and that really I needed to focus my life on the problems here in this country. That's why I started started getting involved in the Women's School, and [then] I went [and] I worked for the New England Free Press, which published movement materials, and posters, and pamphlets. I did that for a couple of years, and after that I went to GE [General Electric] because I was really interested in organizing with women on issues that were really important around discrimination and fair pay. That's what got me interested in going to GE.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1451.0,1571.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo, in certain ways, going to GE was much more of a political act than a career choice for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1571.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, it was. It was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1580.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat did it feel like to be a middle-class woman going into a working class job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1584.0,1594.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was a little scary. I remember that first ride up on the bus, the Lynnway— not the Lynnnway—through the marsh [rather]. Yeah, and so yeah, I didn't really know what to expect. Yeah. It was a completely different environment for me. My family wasn't particularly supportive of unions, for instance. I remember— my mother was eventually because she was a teacher eventually, when she finished college, and worked in the library, so she was actually part of AFSCME [American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees] eventually. My dad was a civil engineer, worked in [the] steel industry when the big strikes were going on, and I remember him talking about pretty anti union stuff. It was something that I didn't grow up with. But, my first job was in the scrap house, and then I got into the apprentice program to be an all around machinist. You know, the work was great. The press program was really interesting, and we were actually working forty hours a week, and then also doing classes at night as part of that part of that program, so that's how I got trained. And that's where I met Susan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1594.0,1669.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how atypical was it for women to be in that job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1669.0,1675.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was very atypical. Well, it hadn't been atypical during the war [World War II], and then everybody got sent back to the secretarial jobs, out of the shop in Lynn, which is where the big parts were made jet engines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1675.0,1693.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAnd [where] the money was made!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1693.0,1694.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nAnd [where] the money was made! Steve Germans said that the other plant in Wilmington, and [in] West Lynn, that's where most of the women worked. So they were in the shop, they were making less money. In fact, one of the things that we ended up working on, and I, in particular, was on a big comparable worth case, because of the disparity between the pay for men in the old GE complex and the women's jobs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1694.0,1721.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd was that successful?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1721.0,1723.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYes, it was. It was a big case. Actually, the EEOC [Equal Employment Opportunity Commission] had sued the company over this issue, and the union was actually a defendant at first, because they were not seen to have really taken up the women's issues. And so I, by then, had been started to help to start a Women's Committee in the Union, then we became part of the case, and Nancy Gertner was our lawyer, independent of the union, so we were able to be part of the case. It ended up being quite successful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1723.0,1769.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nMy wife is a force of nature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1769.0,1772.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI definitely want to hear more about that, but maybe Susan, you can tell me a bit about how you decided to come and work at GE?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1772.0,1783.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nOh, sure. So I'm laughing because we have a thing on the wall here. It's an article from The Lynn Item in 1976. Probably around there....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1783.0,1795.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1795.0,1795.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\n......with me at a lathe, and it's called 'Manning the Lathes' when they were hiring the first women on the Apprentice Force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1795.0,1804.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe should take a picture of that and send it to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1804.0,1805.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI'm very cute in that, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1805.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYou were!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1811.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nSo I came there because I had....... well, okay, I flunked out of BU in 1971 because...... I don't know why, we don't have to go into that. But in any case, that was very disappointing to my mother, and very surprising to me because I was really good at school, but I had really lost interest in the whole thing. And so, then I got jobs, you know, and left home. But at the time, there's all these jobs open to women that I was doing office work. I was working in self-employed retirement plans downtown, but I would wear t-shirts and jeans wherever I went. You know? I didn't want to dress up at all, but I was good at what I did, so they kept trying to promote me. I'm like, \"I'm not going to do this.\" I couldn't stand it. So my Uncle John, he says to me, \"If you're going to be that way, you should go come up here. They're hiring women in the apprentice program, and why don't you just take the test?\" So I went up there and I took it. I didn't even know what it was. I didn't care. I was like, \"I can do that.\" And so I went up there, I took the test, and I got in. I waited a long time to get on the floor, so I started there in December of 1975. I had to wait for the strike to be over— the safety strike in the gear plant. I though it was pretty cool: \"This was a great job.\" And the best part was my mother was so jealous because I could smoke at my machine. She had always made sneakers, you know, ba-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba [*noises*] on an assembly line and stuff like that. I could go to the bathroom any time I wanted to. This was, like, terrific. It was fun. It was fun. There was a few women up there, and yeah, and like Marcia said, we did classes at night, which were great. Got me back. I was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1811.0,1948.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid it help to go into this previously male-dominated profession [and] to have a cohort of other women who are doing it with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1948.0,1959.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYes, it really did, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1959.0,1961.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1961.0,1961.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was also that some of the first black people that were hired into the plant were also on the apprentice course at that point [with us].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1961.0,1966.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThey put us together. Like there was a guy from Jamaica who was breaking me in on my machine, because obviously we had something in common, you know? Or whatever. But, it was interesting. What was I going to say? Oh! So at the same time, I continued to go to school at night all this time. And at the time....—Oh, because the company I worked for would pay for it, and so I was majoring in Risk and Insurance at Northeastern University. It's uh...'interesting', y'know? I can do your taxes. And then I moved into corporate finance. So, all this time I'm doing this while I'm at the apprentice floor, and taking the engineering classes. But then I said, \"I'm not going to do that.\" I got the union bug and this kind of thing. And so like a month before I was supposed to graduate from Northeastern, I quit. Yeah, you know, but that's all right. That worked out. I wasn't paying for it. Actually, I was by then, probably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=1966.0,2051.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nMaybe, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2051.0,2054.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nBut it was interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2054.0,2055.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nCould we take a pause for just a minute while I put the dinner in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2055.0,2059.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nCertainly. Well let's get to the point where you two meet one another for the first time. Does either of you want to begin with that story?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2059.0,2071.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI don't!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2071.0,2072.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWhat's that? Okay. You want to? Well, we were both on the apprentice floor. And so,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2072.0,2083.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nNo, you [were] still in the scrapboats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2083.0,2084.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nNo, I was still in the scrapboats. That's right. That was right in the beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2084.0,2086.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nShe was still in the scrapboats, and I drove by the bus stop. As she said, she was taking the bus, she never— I don't know why you were taking the bus, but you were. And I just stopped at the bus stop and I says, \"Do you want a ride to Boston?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2086.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe both lived in Dorchester. We lived in— Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2100.0,2101.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nBoth of us lived in Dorchester. No, you lived in Cambridge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2101.0,2103.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI lived in Cambridge, so she lived in South End","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2103.0,2105.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI couldn't believe that I was meeting one of those Cambridge dykes! My good fortune.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2105.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, I'm just gonna pause here. Can you tell me a little bit what it means to be a Cambridge dyke?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2111.0,2121.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nA nice political, you know....one of those 'Women's Movement' dykes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2121.0,2128.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWhich is, in fact, when I came out. It was after I got involved with the Women's Movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2128.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah, see! One of those! It was not just like, I don't know. Yeah, the average.......I don't know. Of course, I hadn't met very many women by then anyway. But, yeah, yeah, it was a little— Although I did have this other friend who was sort of like......—these friends were from the second wave feminism, and I played softball with them in Somerville, and then in the middle of the game, they would meet at the mound to decide who is going to play what position. And I said, \"Well, are we playing baseball or what here?\" It was not really my type of, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2130.0,2172.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWell, I don't think that type of feminist would actually have been working at GE.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2172.0,2177.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThey weren't. They were writing things, you know, and stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2177.0,2179.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nSo we had—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2179.0,2180.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nBut there you were, so I figured, \"Oh, this is a good combination. Somebody who's working at the scrap house, and is really cute, and has a brain.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2180.0,2191.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah. And we had some common friends in the plant by then, too— other people in the apprentice course and stuff. Yeah. And we started, you know— by then we were also both getting active in the union because the other thing we started doing, soon after we met, was we were always in union meetings together and writing leaflets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2191.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWe were being very careful, very careful not to move in together. You know the thing they say about lesbians? [That] on the second date, they'd bring a U-Haul. We were trying to be very.....— of course I was living with somebody else at the time—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2220.0,2233.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, right, I was not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2233.0,2234.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\n—so that sort of precluded that, But it was the '70s, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2234.0,2239.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nThat was before we actually started dating, per se. We were doing, you know, we were also— we were being— we were active in the union by then too. I'm trying to think, like, very soon after we started working in the apprentice course, I started working with some other particular...— with other women, and trying to pull together a women's committee in the union, because there were all kinds of issues around pay discrimination and child care issues, and what women were paid. As we started to work in other parts of the plant, people weren't necessarily very welcoming once you got off the apprentice course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2239.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah, until they figured out they could get their wives in there, then they thought this was a really good idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2289.0,2296.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nSo yeah, there were other people. There are a lot more women coming into the plant in general, not just through the apprentice course. There was a real interest in trying to do something to change some of the conditions for women. And we were getting active in the union in general, and trying to make it a better [group]: make the leadership better, you know? Stuff like that. So anyway....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2296.0,2321.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYou know only have fifteen minutes [to talk about] the rest of your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2321.0,2326.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah. Anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2326.0,2327.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, I'm banking on [finishing at] quarter of six, so let's call it twenty seven. So, Marcia, I know that this joining the union and the job was a kind of conscious political and feminist act. Susan, did you think of yourself as a feminist, or is that something that evolved over time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2327.0,2354.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nNo, I didn't, and this goes back to a lot of things I've been examining. At the time, I didn't think about women's rights. I was always surprised to be discriminated against. Like one of the things that happened I went to BU, I had gone to an all girls school for high school, and now I was in there, in a co‑ed classroom for the first time at BU, where nobody listened to you. I'm like, \"Oh, alright.\" But of course, I don't know....it was complicated in so many ways because of class issues. I was living at home in Southie, and commuting to BU on the subway. You know? My grandmother would pack me a lunch. Like I said, there was very complicated things going on there. But I think somewhere in the back of my mind, I didn't think of myself as a woman, as those women [did]. Of course, I had my grandmother, who did everything around the house. You'd go out to go shopping one day, and you'd come home, and she had wallpapered the house. And my uncle was almost totally useless, so it was a woman-run household, you know? And...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2354.0,2440.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIs this the same uncle that recommended you work at GE?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2440.0,2443.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nNo. No, this is the one that lived with us. Yeah. Yeah. He worked for the, he drove a fork truck for the Teamsters. But.....so I wasn't that interested in it. I was interested in union politics, so I started doing things around health and safety on the shop floor. That's where I got involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2443.0,2470.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\n'Cause her uncle had actually died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2470.0,2474.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nMy uncle Frank had died the day I started working there, from an industrial disease: laryngeal cancer. I also quit smoking then because I had this idea that if they were going to kill me with chemicals, I wasn't going to help them. That's sort of the way my head worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2474.0,2496.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd when did each of you decide to move to Lynn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2496.0,2500.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nSo, we got together in '76, August of '76 we met. And then I moved out of the person I was living with, probably around '77. We moved in together in July in Dorchester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2500.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nIn '77, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2519.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\n'77. And then Marcia says to me, \"Let's have a baby.\" And I'm like, \"Okay, let's have a baby.\" So then we're thinking of having a baby, so then you're thinking: \"We live an hour away from work pretty much.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2519.0,2544.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\n—And we're renting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2544.0,2544.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAnd we're renting, yeah. And my grandmother.....—yeah, I had this experience that my grandmother said, \"You always have to own your house.\" Okay. But I had lived with a friend who had a kid, and it's very hard to find an apartment if you're two women with a kid, even if you're not in a relationship, because they either want a family, or they don't want kids. If you're neither one of those, it's really hard. And so I says, \"Well, let's buy a house.\" So then she said, \"We'll go to Lynn, and buy a house.\" So I told my mother, I said, \"We need to buy a house. I need $5,800, so she gave me $5,800.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2544.0,2589.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI'm gonna get the plug here. Do you just want to pause again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2589.0,2590.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nOh are we running out of gas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2590.0,2592.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI'm afraid we might be because it's getting a little dim.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2592.0,2594.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nOkay. We had a list. We're very methodical. We had a list of things that we wanted out of a place, and we spent exactly one day looking for a house, and we bought it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2594.0,2606.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nGreat house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2606.0,2607.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nGreat house. It was a great house, and it was a great neighborhood. We couldn't have chosen any better. We lived over on Tucker street, which is near Lydia Pinkham's, and the street had a million kids on it. Our boy grew up with little boys on either side of us. They were like family, they still are. One of the kids, Tony Losey, was our son's best man at his wedding a few years ago. So he had a really, Peter had a really good feeling about being in Lynn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2607.0,2642.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah. And we weren't, at that point, out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2642.0,2645.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWe were not out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2645.0,2647.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nBut","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2647.0,2647.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWe were not pretending to not be gay, but we don't say the words.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2647.0,2655.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2655.0,2658.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd all your neighbors were accepting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2658.0,2660.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYep. Yeah, they were. And we just didn't talk about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2660.0,2663.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWell, nobody gave us a hard time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2663.0,2664.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nNobody gave us a hard time. And one of the things.....—but I think one of the things about Lynn [is that] this is not like some suburb or something. I mean, there's all kinds of people in Lynn, all kinds of families, all kinds of people living with extended families, or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2664.0,2677.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nSituations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2677.0,2677.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nSituations, right. I think that helped in terms of people just not questioning [us] about our household,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2677.0,2688.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid either of you spend time at Fran's, or The Lighthouse?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2688.0,2693.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nNot—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2693.0,2695.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWell, we had gone to Fran's, but we had not— I wouldn't say we spent a lot of time there, to be honest with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2695.0,2703.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou were a little older, and more established as a couple, so kind of beyond that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2703.0,2708.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2708.0,2708.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAnd we were parents!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2708.0,2710.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nVery soon after we moved to Lynn, we were parents, right? So I mean, we went to the, we played softball and we went to Buzzy's Pub and Grub right after the games, stuff like that, but not to Fran's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2710.0,2724.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAnd most of the women on our team were gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2724.0,2727.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, so some of them actually did spend more time there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2727.0,2731.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThey were young and single.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2731.0,2732.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2732.0,2732.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWell, we were young, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2732.0,2734.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe were young, but we—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2734.0,2735.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI was just like twenty eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2735.0,2738.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2738.0,2740.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI didn't think it was young at time, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2740.0,2743.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how would you describe Lynn in the late '70s and 1980s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2743.0,2751.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nIt was interesting because one of the things that was on our list— of course in Dorchester, we had both experienced [situations] where there was a lot of fires set by landlords, being set by landlords in the '70s, and that was one of our criteria in the neighborhood: there was not going to be a place [where we were going to live] where fires had been set by landlords, because things were not going that well in the city, in Boston, in those days. I don't know if......I can't remember now if the same thing was happening in Lynn, but I'm sure it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2751.0,2789.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWell it was big problem in Lynn for a while, and not right around there— not [in] our immediate neighborhood, but certainly was true in some parts of Lynn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2789.0,2795.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nSo, we were looking for a single family house. The thing about it is that the plant was hopping, you know? We had 30,000 people in the plant then. It was 9,000 people in the bargaining unit, so it was like a world into itself. You just knew people all over the city that either worked there, or knew somebody who worked there. Once we were involved in the union, then you know, everybody [knew us.] Even after I left, [because] I was a shop steward for so many years, I'd be down the corner store and they'd say, \"Hey, Susan, I'm going to get laid off. What am I going to do?\" I says, \"Look, I don't work there. I just don't work there anymore.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2795.0,2838.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIt sounds like about as ideal a place to raise your son. What made you decide to move to Cambridge in 1990?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2838.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWell he.....it was ideal in many ways, but the schools are not ideal. I had actually done, you know— he started going to the.....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2850.0,2862.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThe Washington school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2862.0,2863.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nThe Washington School, which was a magnet school. So I ended up getting involved in the desegregation committee that was meeting, since there had been a desegregation order. Not desegregation—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2863.0,2875.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah, [there was.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2875.0,2876.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, I guess that was. Anyway, I was a parent on that committee and there were some great people that were really working hard. Teachers, you know? It brought out the best in a lot of teachers and parents that really cared about getting something done, but they were also up against a lot of entrenched interests that weren't interested in making the schools better. And our son is dyslexic, so he was really not getting what he needed to get at the Washington [School]. He was in first grade there. And so we, at that point, were just really discouraged [about ]what was going to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2876.0,2914.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWell—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2914.0,2915.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nHe went to a really small private school for a little while, and we were driving all over getting him tutoring help, wherever we could. So that was the reason that we started looking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2915.0,2929.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nOne of the barriers was also, that in order—this was like, he started school in 1984, [or] '85: he was five years old. In order to get an ed[ucation] plan for a disability, you had to have a home visit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2929.0,2947.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWith a social worker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2947.0,2948.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWith a social worker. And frankly, we were worried that we would lose our kid. You know? So we had to keep doing the workaround. Like for example, we didn't apply— I mean, you know, ostensibly, Marcia was a single parent. But we didn't apply for WIC [Women, Infants, and Children Program], we weren't going to get anywhere on anybody's list. Anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2948.0,2975.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nAnd I wasn't going to get him tested in the public schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2975.0,2979.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah, and public schools— they weren't going to do anything for him anyways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2979.0,2981.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nOr if we were going to have a social worker to the house. And this was at a time when gay people were losing their kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2981.0,2986.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2986.0,2989.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe just didn't want them in our business. And we got him tested at Children's Hospital, just paid for that ourselves. Then it was clear to us what he needed. Eventually we paid for summer programs at the Carroll School for a couple of summers, which really started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=2989.0,3007.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nBut, we were driving around like lunatics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3007.0,3009.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nSo that was in Lincoln. We weren't going to go to the city of Lynn and try to get them to pay. First of all, we didn't want to go through this whole process because we felt it was dangerous. And even if we had, we wouldn't be trying to get Lynn to pay for him to go to, say, Landmark or something, just because maybe we could work the bureaucracy. We just didn't think that was fair. 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It was terrible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3042.0,3044.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3044.0,3044.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAnd he was miserable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3044.0,3045.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah. He really, he knew why we were doing it and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3045.0,3048.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nHe didn't know why we were doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3048.0,3049.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, well—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3049.0,3050.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nNo, we lied to him. You always lied to your children. No, we told— he said he....he.... We told him we wanted to be— we had both stopped working at the GE by then because it was layoffs. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3050.0,3065.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe were commuting the other way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3065.0,3066.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah, we were commuting the other way. And we told him that we wanted to be closer to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3066.0,3073.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah. But he knew that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3073.0,3074.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAnd so the weekend we moved here, he brought his two friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3074.0,3077.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nBut he knew that we were going all over the place to try to get him tutoring, and so forth. Then we did tell him, \"You'd be able to get all this in the school and be,\" you know, so that.... but it was really hard for him because that's a hard age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3077.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nIt was hard for us too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3090.0,3091.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was hard for us. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3091.0,3092.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nFriends up there, and all that. You know? You have your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3092.0,3096.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThat's a tough transition. Well, you're historical, of course, in that you're the first couple to file for a marriage license in 2004. But I'm wondering, had either of you been active in the movement for marriage equality before then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3096.0,3115.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nNo, we hadn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3115.0,3118.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI think that's why they asked us to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3118.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, I mean, they knew we were active politically in lots of ways, and could handle the press and so on, that they knew was coming. I mean, and it's not like— I mean, we'd certainly been to demonstrations, we just— you know, we've been active in that way, but not in organizations per se. And it wasn't until after we did this, that I actually ended up being on the board of Mass Equality and we did a lot of work at that point to talk to the legislature, to organize in support of it, because of course, the right wing was trying to take it away. Romney, and [other] organizations were trying to overturn [that, and] trying to pass a constitutional amendment to take away the rights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3120.0,3168.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nIt actually never occurred to us to get married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3168.0,3171.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nNo. Well, we didn't think we could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3171.0,3172.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nIn fact, we never even had a commitment ceremony. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3172.0,3176.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nNo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3176.0,3176.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWe were too busy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3176.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nCan I ask who the 'they' was, when you said 'they' encouraged us to get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3180.0,3186.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nOh, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3186.0,3189.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nAnd the Lavender Alliance. Yeah, they asked us to be the first couple that night. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3189.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid you have any reservations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3198.0,3201.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe asked Peter if he was [okay with it, that was] our only [reservation.] We wanted to make sure that he was okay with us because we knew that, obviously, we were going to be in the press, because they wanted us to be able to talk to the press, and they knew we had a good story, and he was old enough that it wasn't like he was a younger kid. So, yeah, he said, \"Go for it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3201.0,3221.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nI don't think he was even paying attention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3221.0,3222.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nHe had no idea what was going to happen. But he ended up being interviewed, and talking to legislators, too, and being a really important part of the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3222.0,3235.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid you have concerns about being in the spotlight?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3235.0,3239.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWe didn't really. We had concerns— like everything else —we had concerns about him. He's a hockey player at Merrimack College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3239.0,3249.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nAt that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3249.0,3250.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAt that point. There's a little video that ESPN did [that] you can see, where he talks about that, and how he might have come in there, and had his nameplate taken off. You know, [Merrimack being] Catholic school, all of that. At that point, where we were working, Ww were going to be okay good jobs","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3250.0,3277.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nBut you know, I— yeah go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3277.0,3281.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nGo ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3281.0,3281.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nHe always had, this goes way back, he always had this strong sense of: \"We were in it together, as a family.\" We never really had situations where he was feeling like.....—he was blaming us for not being......He never blamed us for not being more open, and sometimes— we discovered this kind of later, actually when he was getting interviewed by the press —that he thought he was being protective of us, not to be more open with it, and then we felt bad about that, that he was feeling like he had to protect us. I think that really translated to this time. He was ready to take on people attacking this whole process. He actually had some— he spoke at like, this....this BU professor asked him to speak, and these people were on the panel saying, you know....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3281.0,3343.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAll these right wingers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3343.0,3344.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nRight wingers. \"Well, if gay people can get married, what about dogs?\" I mean, you know, really terrible stuff that he just took on. We were waiting to see our senator, and there was a religious group in there that he started arguing with them about the bible, I mean I couldn't believe it! He felt really strongly, and he's carried that with him through his jobs: being supportive of gay people, and people with dyslexia, you know? [We're] so proud of him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3344.0,3379.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat did it feel like to have 5,000 people show up to cheer you on outside of Cambridge City Hall, when you filed for your marriage license?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3379.0,3390.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThat was pretty amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3390.0,3391.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt was amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3391.0,3392.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWell, it was just uhm....... I felt like it was not really about us. You know? It was really, everybody....... it was such a terrible year, 2004. I remember all the things that were going on. We had this war in Iraq, and we had all this stuff going on, and people just wanted to be happy about something. And this was just \"bang,\" for every progressive person in town, in the state. It was just a wonderful thing to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3392.0,3422.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nAnd there were two hundred other couples there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3422.0,3424.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3424.0,3424.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe were all lined up [in] the city hall. They were, you know...—you walked in, and people were in tuxes, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3424.0,3430.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nIt was a party. You had a cake, you were singing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3430.0,3433.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nI mean, it was great to be in Cambridge. I mean, people— the reason we were first is because Cambridge opened in midnight, because they wanted to be the first town to open their doors, because they had done so much on domestic partnership, and a lot of other issues over the years. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3433.0,3448.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nAlthough, I'll tell you, when we moved here in 1990, it was the first year that they had a gay pride celebration at the city hall. We went to that, but you could also register as domestic partners. We were still nervous, we did not register as domestic partners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3448.0,3466.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWe still felt like we didn't want to be on some list. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3466.0,3471.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah. I hope we were wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3471.0,3472.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3472.0,3475.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo being married to someone that you love, gay or straight or otherwise, has its ups and downs and its challenges. I have to imagine that you were under some pressure to be model marriage partners, as the first couple to file for gay marriage in Massachusetts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3475.0,3500.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWell, they didn't want somebody just coming out of the bar that night, at two AM.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3500.0,3506.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nThat's right!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3506.0,3506.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nSo we were least better than that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3506.0,3508.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWell, yeah. I mean, we knew. I mean, this was like a complete fluke. It just happened that that was the anniversary of Brown versus Education. That night, that date. So we got to talk about that in the press, and live press, where they couldn't just edit it. So, you know, it was... in the sense that I think we did a good job talking about what it meant to us, as a couple, and how it was connected to equal rights for many communities. That was really satisfying to be able to do that in the press. And we had some amazing— like Maria Hinojosa, she was great. She was, ynow.....and one of our ministers was there, while she was interviewing us, and we're talking to her, Mary Ann Holston, our ministers behind her going like this and we said, \"Oh yeah, and we love each other.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3508.0,3566.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nWe were being way too strategic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3566.0,3568.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nYeah, that's true. But, it was amazing to be able to express your love for each other that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3568.0,3574.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nDo you think we feel pressure to stay together? Hmmm....I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3574.0,3577.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nNo, I don't think so! No. It's almost fifty years since we got together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3577.0,3585.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThis is certainly, as you pointed out, a shining moment of optimism for progressives. It's unfortunate, but in the last several years, there's been a bit of backlash against LGBTQ+ people. I'm curious what you make of that, and whether you are optimistic about the future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3585.0,3616.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah, you're right. It's hard right now. I think me for me, I am just naturally optimistic. I guess I wasn't surprised that all this racism came out after Obama was elected president. Let's start there, okay? Because I felt like the Right, as you will, felt like they were losing.Aa certain group of people in the country felt like they were losing. What they were losing, I don't know. But they know what they felt like they were losing: their privilege, or this, or that. So all of this uprising on their part, feels to me like we're winning, you know? But right now, it's really, really hard. It's just really hard because..... it's because it's so normalized to be to be [in] the so-called culture wars, and all that. I feel really bad for young people, just at the time. Like at church, we have a lot of trans people, and we have people experimenting with gender identity, and this, and that. I just hope this doesn't really destroy them personally, because you can't help but hear this stuff, and take it in, and find places where people can still stay supported.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3616.0,3705.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nIt really is. Because people have been much more able to be them out, and themselves. It is part of the same backlash, and it's so frightening and destructive, too. We just have a lot of work to do. I mean, we have, there's so many fronts that there's attacks. Frankly, the whole country is at risk. And one of the things is, again, you got past this period when LGBTQ rights was the thing that was being used constantly against the whole movement for everything. And now, we're back in that position again. The attack on transgender people [is] being used as the lever to foment hate. It's frightening and terrible to see, and we all have to work against it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3705.0,3782.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nPeople have to organise, again, in communities. In some ways, I feel like it's too bad all the bars are closed, because it was a place to organize. Now, we don't know as many gay people as we should or could. S,o I don't know how you organize now. I guess the social media gurus have to figure that out because everybody's—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3782.0,3812.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you have any theories about why so many of the gay and lesbian bars have closed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3812.0,3819.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nWell, I think it is because there were many other places for us to be out, both in the workplace and socially. You didn't need them in the same way. But it's too bad, because I think, I know, it really makes a difference to have places like coffee houses, bookstores— not just the bars. I mean, it's true that the bars themselves are not [the best. It's not] great to always have to go to a bar to meet each other. And so that changed, but I still think you need places to gather. I mean, both of us are involved in lots of kinds of organizing, still. I feel like we're optimistic that we can really fight back. I think, again, not so much in GBLTQ work per se, except through church. And I think that we all need to do that as well, because the attacks are just so terrible and deep. But, we rely on other communities to be helpful, and stand behind us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3819.0,3894.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Susan Shepherd\n\nYeah. I mean, most of the people I know recently, younger people who have met people, do it online. I guess, you don't need the bars. I mean, that's a little nicer. You can meet more people that way, than going to the bars, and slobbing around for a while, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3894.0,3913.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nPerhaps something is lost in those face-to-face relationships that you have with members of your community. And, Marcia, as you were speaking, I was thinking that as progress is made, and acceptance is more universal, one of the downsides is that you lose community, and the community needs to be reinstated in these difficult times. I know that you've both been very generous, and you're allowing me one extra minute beyond the time that your lasagna is supposed to be done, but one final question for each of you: we've covered a lot of terrain here. Is there anything that you would want future generations to know about your experience, or about this moment in history [for] fifty years from now, when they're watching this video for the first time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087#t=3913.0,3986.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/125253/file/230087/transcript/68895/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marcia Hams\n\nDon't be afraid to find each other, and don't be afraid to come together, and fight as a community. That gives you— that gives me personal satisfaction to be working with other people to try to make a difference on justice, and for us as a community. That's supported— it's all the people that worked on these issues, and brought the court case, that made it, for instance, possible for us to get married, even though we weren't working on that court case. And so, we owe a great debt to them, and have tried to continue that work, too. 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