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My name is Andrew Darien. I'm a professor of history at Salem State University, and I'm conducting this interview as part of the Mass Humanities funded project, Through a Rainbow Lens, a reflection on Lynn's LGBTQ+ history. I have the great honor of being joined today by Patricia Gozemba an archivist, scholar, and excuse me, an activist scholar and former professor of English and Women's Studies at Salem State University. Can I confirm that I have your permission to record this conversation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1.0,44.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYes, you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=44.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nGreat. Thanks, Pat. As we discussed earlier, you're something of a unique narrator for us both because of your lived experience, but also your expertise as a scholar and researcher whose work has really laid the foundation for this project. And so with that in mind, I wanted to spend our time today focusing on four areas. First talking a bit about your early life, coming of age and identity formation. Second, your trajectory into academia and activism. Third, your specific research on The Light House and working class lesbian bar culture. And then finally, your perspective on the changing nature of LGBTQ+ activism and identity in the 21st century. So does that make sense?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=46.0,110.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nIt does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=110.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nOkay. So, thanks again for filling out the biographical information form. [It] looks like you were born just about a year before Pearl Harbor and then went from Medford-Somerville area to Waltham, where you eventually went to high school in St. Mary's. So, you were a child of World War II, I think it's fair to say, but also sort of came of age in the era of the 1950s. And I thought we could start by you telling me a bit about what it was like to grow up in those communities at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=112.0,157.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nIt was. Growing up in Waltham in particular, since we jumped to high school, was pretty interesting. You know, I came from an Irish working class family. We lived in Somerville. My family was not, we lived in, I should say, we lived in a two-family house in Somerville and the American working-class dream seemed to be to get a house with a yard and [for it to] be a single-family house. And my parents were interested in moving from Somerville because they didn't like it that so many Italians were moving into Somerville. So I didn't come from a progressive family that was open to all identities, all ethnicities. I came from a family that had this particular goal in mind to escape Italians and move to Waltham. Of course, their idea of escaping any nationality, any ethnicity, was very mistaken because all kinds of folks moved to these, this tract housing development in Waltham called Glenmeadow East, that we lived in. There was a variety of folks there. I was kind of bemused myself. I had never really hung out with anybody Jewish. There was a Jewish family that moved across the street. And there were, but mostly, and there was a Chinese family that moved on the street, that lived on the street we lived on, but mostly it was white working class people who had moved to that suburban enclave. And that's where we were surrounded, and those were the kids who became my friends. And I switched from going to public school in Somerville to going to parochial school in Waltham, [and I] ended up at St. Mary's. And that was that transition for me. And then when it came time to go to college, [I was] very much influenced by the one person in our family who had gone to college, who had actually become a Jesuit priest. And when I graduated from Emmanuel the places where I got scholarship, I got a full scholarship to go to Brandeis, which was also in Waltham. And I really was thinking that was where I wanted to go. And I also was accepted at a number of other colleges, but Emmanuel was one of the others. And my uncle lobbied heavily with my mother in particular to say that I should not go to Brandeis because I would lose my soul if I went to Brandeis because they were, you know, it was a \"godless\" academic community and not one like the one that Emmanuel would give me. Well, eventually he won out in the family and I ended up going to Emmanuel. And it was kind of ironic, every night, the whole time I was, I would say not every single night, but most nights I spent in the Brandeis University Library studying. So it was very, I sort of went to Brandeis by osmosis. I went to Brandeis almost every day. It wasn't you know, it was maybe five miles from my house. But that was the ironic way that I ended up at Emmanuel and I suppose saved my soul in lots of ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=157.0,403.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI'm interested in learning more about that college experience, but thought maybe you could just step back briefly and can you tell me a little bit about what your parents did for a living and how you think that shaped your view of the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=403.0,421.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYeah, well, when we moved to Waltham, before we had moved to Waltham, my mother was not working. My father was a printing pressman. He stood at a press and was in a print shop, worked that way his whole life. My mother, when we moved to Waltham, took a job as a part-time bookkeeper. So that was a new experience, my mother working, and of course, my father working. And so we were truly working class people. My father was a union member. He was very, very pro-union, always willing to be the shop steward in his printing company, in the company that he worked for. My mother, I would not call progressive at all, but my father's progressive views really impressed me. He was very much about equity and giving the working class guy a chance. So I think I learned my whole appreciation of unions from my father. But I will say that neither my mother or father were especially progressive, but were progressive in any way, about race issues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=421.0,506.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd what about in terms of their treatment of you and your siblings. I believe you're the oldest of three and have a younger sister and younger brother. Did you feel that they treated all of you equally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=506.0,523.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYeah, I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=523.0,526.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd what was your relationship like with your siblings growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=526.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nMy brother who was six years younger than me was a particular favorite of mine. My sister was more a girly girl kind of type and so my brother, I was a tomboy and my brother was, you know, here was somebody I could teach to play baseball and take into the woods with me because that was one of the privileges of moving to Waltham. We actually lived in a community that backed up on about at least 100 acres of forest. And so we had that as a kind of playground. So sports activities, outdoor activities, like being in the woods and that kind of thing. My brother and I really enjoyed. And we remained close. My sister, not so close in terms of activities that we did, although once we both got out of college, my sister and I socialized more together. For instance, like going with friends to Cape Cod and renting a cottage down there, that kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=532.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo, [you used] the term tomboy to describe yourself as a child, is that a label that was given to you that you gave to yourself? Do you have a sense of what that meant to you or what your consciousness was about that and how that evolved over time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=600.0,621.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYeah, I accepted the word tomboy. I didn't see it as a pejorative at all. It was who I was and when I moved to Waltham I met another girl who I became friendly with in the neighborhood. And she was a tomboy as well. And the two of us and she was going to go to the Catholic school, the Catholic, I guess you would call it middle school, but now it would be a junior high. That was what we called it. And she was going to the junior high, the Catholic junior high. And I decided that that was where I wanted to go to school too, partly to be with my friend, but partly because of a kind of scary episode I had at the Waltham Junior High School where when I went for initiation, orientation day, I was confronted by a boy in a stairwell who said, you know, who was punking on me. You know, I was just the green seventh grader, et cetera. And that was kind of a harsh experience to have by myself. And so I felt quite comfortable after that going with my friend to the Catholic school. And that was where I stuck through, you know, all the years of junior high school and then high school. And then ended up going to Emmanuel College as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=621.0,708.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how important was your Catholic identity to you growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=708.0,717.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nIt really was important to me. I was very religious as a kid. Not, once I got in the second grade, seventh grade I should say, the kind of religiosity of the nuns and you know what they were, what they would praise us about etc. And I think I was, because my mother in some ways became more distant when we moved to Waltham, she started working at this job. She also at the same time started having this affair with a priest that lasted for about, I mean it was very strange, but it lasted for probably 20, almost 25 years until he died. So that was a tension in our family the whole time, that my mother was having this affair with a priest and priests were considered sacrosanct and the nuns were all about the priests and how wonderful they were. And I had a different view of it from inside my family because my mother was having this affair with a priest. So there were lots of priests around our house at different times for different social occasions and at holidays. But this particular priest that my mother was having the affair with was around our house a lot and it produced tension with my father of course but we were in some ways kind of bought off with favors to not talk about it with my father. But eventually it became really problematic and my sister and I both kind of rebelled about it. But my mother was very forceful and she insisted, for example, that her paramour, this priest, be on the altar when each of us got married. So it was kind of a horrible thing that we endured, but that was like a horrible secret within a family that we were meant to keep. And I think in some ways, my own willingness to be very out when I finally came out later in life was because I was somebody who was very disturbed by family secrets and the kinds of hurt that they engender within one in the kind of pain that a family lives with within itself. So I think that the idea of being open and being out was something that was very important to me. And in fact, in later life, telling these stories about the relationship my mother had with this priest, et cetera, became something that I really wanted to do to inspire other people who went through those kinds of circumstances that you can get through it, you can get to the other side, it doesn't also have to dominate your life forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=717.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThat's fairly remarkable. Was this an open secret? I mean, how did you come to learn about the relationship and was it something that was understood and not spoken about or was it formally acknowledged?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=915.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nIt was understood and spoken about only when we were, when we, the kids in the family, were confrontive with my mother about it. But she persisted. It was not gonna change her mind. And it was a relationship that was built on gambling. Both she and this particular priest were interested in gambling. And that's what they did just about every day, Monday through Friday. Weekends, it didn't happen because my father was around, but weekdays they were always gambling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=930.0,970.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWas it ever something you spoke with your father about later in life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=970.0,976.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nOh yeah, later in life I did. Particularly after my mother died. My father fortunately lived for about six years after my mother died. And In those six years, we became very close. When I was a kid, my father and I were very close. My father loved teaching my brother and me, you know, sports stuff, hanging out with us, that kind of thing. And so he did. But then, of course, but then as the relationship with this priest continued on, and I got older, like I got in high school, I didn't want to hang out with my father at that point. And I started to also unfortunately think less of my father, because we all knew this was going on. And he tolerated it. Now, I don't know what he could have done divorced her, but we were very Catholic. How could you divorce? And it was so wacky, the whole thing. But that was like a period of my, a period, a part of my life that I kept suppressed because I didn't talk about it with everybody. I didn't even talk about it with my best friend, that that was what was going on. But I would come home every day from school, from high school, let's say junior high or high school. And there was a good chance that my mother and the priest would be there gambling. Of course, they would call a bookie to place their bets. And yeah, that was kind of life early, late afternoon at my house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=976.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo sometimes when we grew up with parents who fall from grace, we find that we can spend a lot of our time trying to be very different, or we find out that we pick up some of the same tendencies ourselves. How do you think it went for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1080.0,1106.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI think I pretty much pledged to myself that I was gonna have a very different life. It wasn't going to be that one. Although I did fall into the pattern of getting married to a man, Gary Gozemba, and you know having a house, moving to an apartment in Marblehead because I was at Salem State teaching, eventually buying a house in West Peabody. But it was around that time that I ended up coming out and leaving the marriage. So I think I never was, I wasn't thinking I'm doing something different from my parents. I was just leading the life that came in. And of course, in the sixties, in, at Salem State, for example, it was a very activist period. I was very involved in the civil rights movement, the anti-Vietnam movement, the women's movement. Salem was a very active place. Salem State was a very active place. So it became a home of sorts for me before I got married. And then even then, even after I got married, I integrated it right into my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1106.0,1179.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo we definitely want to get to that part of your life story. Can I ask maybe very quickly, if you can tell me a bit about the eighteen year old that went to Emmanuel, what was your hope in going there? Did you know what you wanted to major in? Did you have an activist sensibility at the time? And how did those years you think most form you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1179.0,1211.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYeah, well, one of the things I really liked about Catholicism in the [19]50s and [19]60s is that it was very aligned with views of equality and equity. And it was very supportive of the labor movement, for instance. And that was meaningful to me. Later, maybe in around the late 1970s, I was one of the people who was involved in forming a union, the union at Salem State. And then I eventually became president of that union for a couple of terms at Salem State and agitated around a number of issues of equity. One of them I've mentioned is women's salary equity, which we did achieve. But at Emmanuel, I think my commitment to social justice and equity was reinforced. And there were a number of forces at Emmanuel who were influential on other students, students that I was friendly with. There was Sister Maria Augusta Neal who was in the sociology department, and I never took a course with her, but she was very much involved in the civil rights movement. And I felt very inspired by her around, you know, busing, busing in, going to the South on buses, you know, integrating, etc. But I didn't do that myself. I was aware of a lot of that. And it kind of heated up just at the time we graduated. I graduated from Emmanuel which was 1962. And by that time I was really aware of civil rights, racial civil rights in particular, and committed to it. But after, well let me go back for a second to going to Emmanual when I'm going to Emmanual, what I wanted to do, because I was very inspired by a chemistry teacher I had in high school. I decided, you know, and this is the era of Sputnik. So we're all supposed to become scientists and help our country. So I decided I was going to major in chemistry in college. And after one semester in college, I decided, no, I was not gonna major in chemistry. I was gonna major in something I really liked, which was English. And so I changed my major to English in my freshman year. And we very much hung around with students who were in the same majors that we were in. So English majors hung around a lot. And I in particular hung around with a lot of the sociology majors because they were very progressive in terms of issues of equity and equality. But I enjoyed majoring in English. I got a really great liberal arts education that way. And when I went to Emmanuel , I had thought I would be a scientist and I decided after a year or so at Emmanuel that what I really wanted to do was be an English teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1211.0,1415.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd is that what took you to University of Iowa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1415.0,1419.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nIt did. I decided I was, I was interested. Again, in some ways, completely ironically, I was very much interested in 18th century British drama. So for all my progressive views about social movements, etc., that was not what I was focused on. I was really interested in 18th century drama and at that time the English department at the University of Iowa was a great place to go to study that. So that was where I went. And also I had kind of decided I had had enough of the East Coast area that I was at least going to cross the Mississippi River to go to graduate school. So I barely crossed it and went to the University of Iowa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1419.0,1461.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd was that where you got your teaching certification as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1461.0,1465.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nNo, I got that at Emmanuel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1465.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd tell me a little bit about your evolution of your sexual identity during these years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1470.0,1481.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nMy sexual identity was really kind of blinkered. I was not really, I was heterosexual and that was what I thought I was supposed to be. And that was what I was. And I did realize that I spent as much happy time with my girlfriends at Emmanuel and at the University of Iowa as I did going out on dates and having boyfriends, that kind of thing. But I did go out on dates and had boyfriends. And when I got my MA degree from the University of Iowa, I came back and I wanted to get a job. This is again, the working class aspect of my character coming out. I really wanted to have a job. And so I was trying to, I got to the University of Iowa and I was like, oh man, Iowa, I don't wanna be here very long. And there was a possibility that if I really knocked myself out, I could get my degree in one year if I could write my thesis in that time. So I was heads down, working hard as can be, finished my coursework, and in a period of time between that spring and July I wrote my thesis and graduated in August with an MA but before I had my MA I really wanted a job so I started applying to, I had done student teaching at Waltham High School so I went to the easiest ask of all and that was to go back to Waltham High School and see if I could get a job teaching English there. And of course, I got a job offer right away from Waltham High School. So that was my first year teaching at Waltham, and that's how I got there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1481.0,1592.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how did you meet your ex-husband?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1592.0,1598.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI met him through skiing. I joined a ski club and we used to go to, we had a, the ski club had rented a house in Bethlehem, New Hampshire. And so if you joined the ski club, you were eligible to go and be at that house and ski as much as you want. So it was a great deal and he also had joined that. He was an engineer at General Electric in Lynn, lived in Nahant and we connected, we started going out and probably after about two years got engaged to marry. And I married him in September of 1967.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1598.0,1650.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow long were you married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1650.0,1653.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI was officially married until 1975 when we divorced amicably. I went, we flipped a coin for who would go and get the divorce at the Dominican Republic because in those days in Massachusetts there was no such thing as no-fault divorce. You had to either claim to have been abused or abandoned. I was unwilling to do either of those things. I was still very friendly with my, my ex-husband and neither, neither one of us wanted that to happen. So we knew that, I went to a lawyer and found out that I could go to the Dominican Republic and get a divorce. So, Gary and I flipped a coin about who would do it. I lost, so I had to go to the Dominican Republic to get the divorce, but it was done and it was in 1975. So essentially on the books, we were married from [19]67 to [19]75 but I actually came out with a former student of mine from Salem State who had graduated who had identified as a lesbian herself in relationships, but also had relationships with men. And so she and I connected in the summer of [19]69. And I would say that was my coming out. So we were, you know, we got, we were sexually involved before the end of that summer, before the end of 1967. But then she went to graduate school in Colorado and was there for two years. So that was a kind of hiatus of sorts and a different experience of sorts. It was not an era of texting or emails. It was, you know, she was in Iowa and I was in West Peabody and the ways of communicating were on the phone, expensive, very expensive in those days, or through letters. And mostly we communicated through letters, occasionally through the phone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1653.0,1798.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo were things like the Stonewall Riots or the Compton Cafeteria Riots, events that were on your radar at all at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1798.0,1812.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nNo, they really weren't. I knew about Woodstock happening, but I didn't know about Stonewall happening. So it was only after I came out and I started reading newspapers like Gay Community News that I started to, let's see, when Gay Community News started, let's see, it's celebrating its 50th anniversary coming up so I think Gay Community News started around the early [19]70s does that make sense or early [19]80s. No it must have been in the [19]70s but there were a number of gay journals and eventually they became more newspapers and it was through gay journals and newspapers that I learned about gay life. And then of course, connecting, coming out. And as soon as I came out, I was very interested in connecting with other gay people and finding out, well, what was the gay community like? What was happening there? And the woman I came out with was very closeted. She didn't want anybody to know that she was gay. So here I was, the woman coming out of a marriage and I was like, hey, I'm out. This is great. And there's others like me, and we found each other. I think that the woman I came out with, her name was Cynthia. We were in, when she eventually finished graduate school at University of Colorado, she came back here and she got a job teaching English at Malden High School. Ironically, I had some connections and so could help her, but she was a great teacher. And she, like me, had student taught at Malden High School. So as I went from student teaching at Waltham High School to get a job there, she went from student teaching at Malden High School to get a job there. So, but she was very closeted. We were in a consciousness raising group. That was the era of consciousness raising groups for feminists, the late [19]60s, early [19]70s, inspired by books like, you know, The Feminist Mystique and Simone de Beauvoir and the advent of Ms. Magazine in the early [19]70s. I mean, we were afire with feminism. And of course, within feminism, there were lots of lesbians. And that's where I learned about more lesbians who were very political. So my, and again, remember that I'm a professor at Salem State. So I'm looking at research, I'm talking to people in women's studies, many of whom are lesbians, and by that point I'm out and I'm identifying as a lesbian myself. And in forming something like the Women's Studies Program at Salem State there was a mix of both lesbians and heterosexual women there. I was the only one who was really out for most of the time. However, a former member of the history department, Elizabeth Malloy, was one who finally did come out, but it was never in a... It was... She was never like a known, self-identified lesbian on the campus of Salem State, which I was willing to be. Because I had looked at the pain and talked with many of the students at Salem State who were in deep pain about being lesbian or gay on the Salem State campus. And I felt it was really important as a faculty member to be out. So I think it, I mean I know it was in 1975 that I finally wrote a letter to the college newspaper. It was called a log. Does the log still exist? Do they have a student newspaper?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=1812.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIt doesn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2066.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nSo I wrote a letter and because I had also heard a rumor. I was, remember at this time, I'm actively working on salary equity for women. I'm agitating to start the women's studies program at Salem State. And there was a vice president of the university at that time who was particularly vexed by my moves around salary equity. And he started the rumor, well, he didn't start the rumor. He said, all of those people, all those women looking for salary equity are just lesbians. Salary equity isn't really what they want, it's really equity as lesbians. You know, this was the kind of spin that he put on it. \"Man-hating dykes\" was what he called us. And so I thought, man, this has got to be responded to. And so I did respond in a letter to the college newspaper. And from that moment on, you know, I was the lesbian at Salem State, despite the fact that there were many lesbians in many departments at Salem State, but nobody was willing to be out. People were afraid of losing their jobs. And I guess I worried at times about the possibility of losing my job, but it seemed to me that the way to deal with that worry was to fight for protections, to try to get into a union contract protections for LGBT people, just to try to be out and say, yes, I'm a lesbian and I'm pushing for salary equity. And eventually we included men because many men who were politically active on the Salem State campus were also discriminated against in terms of salary. So I mentioned that I became involved in the anti-Vietnam War movement and in civil rights and supporting student protesters on the campus. And I felt that the best way to deal with this was to be out. And so there, and again, Andrew, I really, I've thought about this before, but in this interview, I've articulated with you, you know, that what was at the core of my wanting to be out, it was the kind of secrecy and lies that I lived with in my own family. And I knew how harmful they can be. And I knew how liberating it could be to be outside of that fear, that fear of being outed and that fear of having physical harm come to you. And I know that that did not happen so much to lesbians. It happened to gay men for sure. I knew about that from students at Salem State who had suffered physical abuse at the hands of gay bashers. So that was part of it. And I also knew that there were lesbian and gay faculty members at Salem State who were squeezed out. You know, they were just like given a graceful exit. So there were both men and women who were kind of just squeezed out at Salem State. And there was no big human cry about that because the people who were squeezed out were closeted. You know, they didn't want that to happen. I mean, the numbers, I mean, we both know from being, having been in academia, that the numbers of gay people that are there are in some ways proportionally higher than in the regular population. It's just a field that gay people in some ways gravitate towards, to its teaching. Teaching and social work, that's where I found many other gay people. And you know why we could all talk about that, but that's the reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2070.0,2305.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd what was it like coming out to your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2305.0,2312.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nProblematic. My mother was outraged. How could I, a Catholic? And this is coming from my mother who was having this decades-long relationship with a priest and yet my being gay, lesbian, and coming out to her was such a disgrace. So for example, she felt, and my father was silent. My mother domineered the family. My father remained silent. I think he probably did not divorce her, partly because he did he wouldn't know how he wouldn't have known how to negotiate life on his own without her, because she took care of everything, the finances, the running of the household, everything. She was the dominating force there. So coming out to my family was really more like coming out to my mother. My father knew it. My mother at one point put my father up to, my father, again, this working class guy, you know, he's retired now at this point, and she puts him up to calling me up and saying that he will pay for me to go and talk to a psychiatrist to help me. And, you know, I was like, Dad, I don't want to do that. I'm fine. I'll talk to you. But I don't need I don't really need to talk to a psychiatrist about this. So that was one that was an incident where, you know, I was told I was written out of the will. My mother threatened, and again, this is sort of interesting to think of working class, bold people, my mother, and maybe I get some of that boldness and that outness from my mother, but my mother said after I came out to her, I'm going to call the president of Salem State College and tell him that he should fire you. You should not be around young people. You're a menace around young around young people. And she said, I'm going to call the principal of Malden High School and tell him what your girlfriend is doing and state that she should not have a job teaching at Malden High School either. So that was the reaction. It was, you're written out of the will, I'm gonna call your employers and try to destroy your career, and that was it. So I suppose that it was not an option for me, I did not want to go back in the closet. I warned my partner at that time about what my mother had said and that just I think it upped her closetedness you know exponentially, but that's what the reaction was on the part of my family","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2312.0,2492.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWere you angry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2492.0,2496.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI was just sort of more. What can you expect? You know, I didn't, I was, I, it steeled my will to be who I was, but it didn't frighten me. I didn't get angry at my mother and certainly not my father because I just felt they didn't understand. I had lots of, I had the benefit of lots of years of education. And I had moved into, you know, the world of academia. So, no. Was I more angry about having my mother's priest boyfriend on the altar when I had to, when I married Gary Gusemba? I was more angry about that than I was angry about the threats that she made to me. Because hypocrisy has always struck me as being so horrible. And I just felt that the wedding that my sister participated in with him on the altar and that I did, was just so hypocritical. You know, it was a way of her normalizing her relationship with this priest, because everybody who would have been attending the wedding would have known of my mother's friendship with this priest. But I don't know how many of them knew that she was actually having a sexual relationship with him. You know, I don't know that. But it all came to, came, got put on exhibition at the weddings, both weddings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2496.0,2594.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how about Margaret and John? Did you come out to them as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2594.0,2599.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI did, I did. I had come out to my sister first and then to my brother in the early [19]70s. And then, because when I would go and visit with them and I would always bring my partner with me and introduce her as my partner. So my brother and sister were, my brother, ironically, in all of these, I wouldn't say either one of them jumped for joy and was really supportive and we love you and we're going to take care of you. They were more, you know, because by that point, I'm in my, I'm in, well, let's say by [19]75 or so, I'm 35 years old, I'm an adult, I've been working, I've got a career, I've got a house, I'm leading a so-called \"normal life\" for a lesbian. And eventually, my brother and sister were accepting like that. My brother-in-law, my sister's husband, who I would have regarded as a person who might be most critical of me was very supportive. And why he was very supportive I have no idea. Perhaps because he was throughout his whole marriage carrying on all kinds of affairs himself, although mine wasn't an affair, but maybe that gave him another lens to look at this through. I'm not sure. But in any case, I think my sister probably was the one who talked my mother down from the ledge and said, you know, this is, she's okay, this is alright. One of the things that was also interesting, Drew, about coming out to my mother was that she got, the first moment when she got really on my case about it was when I had gone to a gay pride celebration in Boston. I was at the earliest gay pride celebration. So I think it might've been one around 1972 that I was there. And of course the newspapers were always there and they were willing to interview anybody who would talk. And somebody approached me, I think it was from the Boston Herald, and wanted to talk about who I was, and why I was there, and what gay pride meant to me, et cetera. So I talked with this reporter, And he wrote up a story that mentioned my name, Patricia Gazemba. And my mother saw that because she was a reader of the Boston Herald, because that's where all the results from the horse races would be posted. So that was very important to have the Herald every night to see how her horses had made out all around the country. But, you know, so she saw that in the newspaper and she called me up and was just like outraged, \"I can't believe that you're talking to the newspapers. Aren't you ashamed of who you are? This is like so bad. I'm going to have to move out of this neighborhood.\" She was still living in Waltham. So she indeed did move out of that neighborhood. She moved to an apartment building in Waltham, you know, probably three miles, two miles from where she was living. And yet, ironically, she moved into an apartment in Waltham that might... So let's see, I guess I can date it. It was 1967 that she did that. So, no, it wasn't then, no, it wasn't 1967. 1967, my sister moved into that same apartment building in Waltham, so my mother knew of that apartment building. So when she saw the story about me in the [19]70s in the Herald, my mother decided, okay, she knows an apartment building. So she left the house in Waltham and moved to the apartment building in Waltham and eventually bought a house in Falmouth down the Cape. So she could be as far away from anybody, any of the neighbors in Waltham who might know about the fact that I was a lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2599.0,2869.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo when did you first start going to Fran's? Or I should say The Light House, which it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2869.0,2876.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nNo, I never went to The Light House, Drew. I only went to Fran's, Fran's opened in the locale that it's in now, and I'm not even positive, and you might know this, whether the lighthouse was in that locale prior to Fran's opening. So it was kind of like The Light House closed and Fran's opened. I knew that Fran's was opening because at that time I was no longer with the girlfriend I came out with. I was with somebody else. And my girlfriend at the time said she had been offered a job to be a bartender at the Fran's. That was a \"status job\" in the lesbian community, being a bartender. So that was when we first heard about Fran's Place. And I would say, I probably, my girlfriend, Rosemary at the time, she never really did become a bartender at Fran's but that was how we found out about Fran's. And we eventually went to Fran's. And Drew, I'm not positive when the first time was that I went to Fran's but it was around, shortly after it opened probably. But I know for sure that by 1983, I was there and I had called the attention of the History Project in Boston to Fran's Place. And the reason I was so interested in Fran's Place, though, is that I had joined the History Project in in in the late [19]70s. And, it was called the Boston, the Boston, it was called the B-, I don't know what the exact name was at the beginning, the Boston History Project. And then I convinced them we should call it the Boston Area Lesbian and Gay History Project because there's all of these other gay stories in communities outside of Boston. And I said, for example, you know, there's all this gay history in Lynn. And there was all this gay history in Salem. There is all this gay history in Salem. But I, and so people agreed. Yeah, we would call it the Boston Area Lesbian and Gay History Project. And there were a number of us from the North Shore, a couple of us, well, a couple of us from the North Shore who were members of the Boston Area Lesbian and Gay History Project. One was a man named Mark McKay, and ironically, he now lives in Lynn, in those apartment buildings that are across from where the building of Fran's Place is, the building that Fran's Place was in is still there and across the highway which is really the 1A coming down into Linn. This guy, Mark McKay, now lives there. So Mark McKay was living in Salem with his partner at the time and he and I would go to Boston for all of the the history project meetings and he dug up a fair amount of research about the North Shore he was very interested in that. So now he's moved he's recently moved back to now he's living in Lynn and he's a person I'd love to connect up with again and get Jim Moser and folks involved in this United Lynn Pride project to talk with him about what his memories were of the, of Fran's place as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=2876.0,3096.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd what, what would you say made Fran's place similar to or different than big city gay and lesbian bars in Boston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3096.0,3107.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nWell, one of the things that was striking about Fran's was that it was men and women were there. And in Boston, there was a big lesbian in Cambridge and Somerville and in parts of Salem, the North Shore, there was a big lesbian separatist movement. And my partner at the time, Rosemary, who was offered this job at Fran's Place as a bartender, she was a lesbian separatist. So I was like, oh, how are you gonna deal with this, you know, working at Fran's. But that was, Fran's was, if I think about it, I maybe can come up with some other names. Well, the 1270 in Boston was another bar that had men and women. Men and women were welcome. But Fran's men and women were welcome. And I had worked on the North Shore beginning in 1978. I began working with a group of folks called, who formed North Shore Gay Alliance and that was 1978 and a colleague of mine at Salem State, David Newton, was the inspiration who founded North Shore Gay Alliance. And a number of the feminists who were associated at that time with women's studies and with the Women's Center at Salem State joined North Shore Gay Alliance. And so I knew that North Shore Gay Alliance existed. It was a group of men and women. I was not connected with them, but in 1978 I decided I would be connected with them because many students from Salem State were starting to connect with them too. And I wanted to be, I mean to me the reason for coming out and being out at Salem State was to be supportive of students. I mean it could have been nice for faculty members to know somebody else was out and they didn't get fired, but it was really important for students, for them to know that there were faculty who were gay and you could have a job like a faculty member at Salem State. You could buy a house, you could lead a life that was equivalent to what others were leading. You didn't have to be heterosexual to do that. To me, that has always been really important to me, to be out as an example of you can make it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3107.0,3260.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat did you like about Fran's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3260.0,3263.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nOkay, let me go back to that. So I dropped the thread there, Drew. And that is, when we went, when we went, when I eventually went to Fran's and got socialized in there, the fact that there were men and women there and that I could go with men and women from let's say folks connected to North Shore Gay Alliance, which by the way, once I joined it, one of the things I immediately agitated for was changing it to NSGLA. And so we changed that and believe it or not, we actually got a little pushback on doing that. You know, well, it was iconic NSGA. And I was like, NSGLA can become iconic too. So, you know, I'm not in the women's movement to be put back, put back a step in the gay movement, you know? So I liked Fran's because it was always a lot of fun. There was good music for dancing. I liked the people I met there. I liked the stories they could tell. They had a flair. I mean, before drag was really the kind of issue that it is now, that was part of Fran's. From everything from the wet t-shirt contest to the limbo contest, I have a few photos of limbo contests at Fran's that I donated to the history project that you folks of course are welcome to use. And so that was it. And every now and then I would see faculty members from Salem State who would come into Fran's. But of course, they didn't wanna be really greeted fully. And they didn't want anyone to, they certainly didn't want me to mention it when I saw them at Salem State. And I was all good with that. I mean, I'm not outing anybody. I really hate that practice of outing people. You know, I think it's very unfair. People need to come out in their own time. If I can help nudge them along, I'll do it by telling them, it's okay, you'll be all right. But at Fran's I'll give you an example of something that was very fun and I'm going to work hard to try to recover some of these photos. But for instance, Fran's on Halloween, I used to always love to dress up as a nun because being a good Catholic girl going to St. Mary's and then going to Emmanuel and all that I always was thinking and in fact, my mother had said this to me at an early age, she said, \"I always think you'll become, I think you'll become a nun\" and I was like \"Really?\" and I thought, \"Well if I had a choice between you as my mother and Sister Veronica Marie, my ninth grade English teacher, as my mother, the nun, I'd choose her. I'd want to hang around with her more than with you, you know?\" So it was kind of that kind of thing. I got a lot of approval from the nuns, a lot of strokes from the nuns for being smart, for being articulate, you know, for being an organizer. I've always kind of been an organizer. So that was fun about it. So Fran's, at Halloween, I loved to dress up as a nun. And so one Halloween, I was with some friends and they said, oh, let's go to Fran's place. So I was in my nun habit and I convinced my girlfriend at the time I said, oh you should dress up in this other nun habit that we had because she was a costume designer and she had made all the costumes for Sound of Music so we just happened to have a few habits hanging around and we went into Fran's place on a Halloween dressed as nuns and people in the bar went crazy. I mean the whole bar, all the people sitting at the bar just went crazy and having these two nuns come into the bar. It's kind of like the lead in a joke, right? Two nuns walk into a bar and that was it. Pardon me, I want to have a little water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3263.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo can you maybe say a little bit about your academic work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3510.0,3517.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI got a much better story to tell you than to go into the academic work. Let me finish with the nun story. Okay, so we go into the bar dressed as nuns and the bar goes into an uproar. Everybody starts applauding and clapping. And somebody says, \"Were you my eighth grade teacher?\" And, \"Oh, I recognize you, sister.\" And they were getting into the whole Catholic fun of nuns. So I remember that one of the songs, that they played a song, and I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was one of those songs that I had seen the strippers at Fran's and they weren't strippers in the sense of strip bars, but they would dance and they would throw off articles of clothing, et cetera. So this dance music started playing. And I said to my girlfriend at the time, Judith, I said, \"Oh, let's go out and dance.\" So here we are in our nuns habits and we go out on the dance floor and we start dancing and everybody's crazy that there's two nuns out there on the dance floor. And Judith decides she's gonna really put on a show because remember she was in show business, she was a costume designer. So she starts taking off pieces of the habit, and the bar just went crazy with her, you know, we're dancing away and she's throwing off the veil and the wimple and you know, this and that. And I think that was one of the funniest moments I ever had at Fran's but there were many others that involved other people, but it was that kind of place where anybody could go in there and you could be a kind of star or buffoon, whatever you wanted to think of it as. But that's sort of what, people were making fun for each other. And so Judith and I were very much in that vein, you know, okay, we're going to put on a show for the people who are here on Halloween.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3517.0,3640.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nCan you talk a little bit about some of the class, the patrons of the bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3640.0,3647.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nOh, yeah. That was what struck me right away, was that most of the folks who were at Fran's were folks who were not college educated, who worked in manufacturing kinds of jobs. Remember, Lynn was a big shoe city, and that lots of the people who hung out at the Light House in Fran's were I think workers in the shoe industry. But you know, the way people talk, the kinds of things they're interested in, it's light years away from being at Salem State and talking to people. But having come from a working class family and being part of a large extended working class family, I certainly fit in there. I understood how to fit in, how to talk with people. And I still talk like a very working class person. I don't talk like an academic. And I think that attracted me to the people at Fran's but it also saddened me a lot because I looked at what was going on at Fran's and what the working lives of these women and men were. And I realized that if I had come out when I was in high school, as many of these patrons, as those patrons of Fran's had come out at an early age, who knows? Who knows that would have become my life, that I would have taken some kind of menial job so that I could be out and not be harmed and make my way. That certainly weighed on my mind all the time as I was doing the interviews. I found it actually pretty depressing doing many of those interviews that I did with the women from Fran's and with a couple of, I think Jim Zipper was the only man that I interviewed, and that Janet Kahn who also did the article about The Light House and Fran's with me, we co-authored that. But yeah, that this could have been a life that we would have led. And Janet found it, Janet is more middle class, upper middle class. Her father was a professor, I think, at Michigan. So she was in a different, you know, both economically and academically, professionally, She was in a different space and she was a sociology major. So she had that kind of lens that she brought to looking at a place like Fran's. And so I was looking at it as one of them. She was looking at it as, you know, from as perhaps as a sociologist, but she was, she's a lesbian. And so she was also looking at it that way. And I think I was more affected emotionally by this experience than she was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3647.0,3830.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how prominent were butch and femme identities at Fran's by the time that you got there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3830.0,3838.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nThey were still pretty prominent. They were, you know, feminism, feminism was a mitigating factor for lots of lesbians, particularly academic, college-educated lesbians. Feminism was there, And so we were thinking about ourselves as women and as lesbians, but we wanted, we didn't want to get into that. I didn't want to get into it. And many of the lesbians that I was friendly with did not want to get into butch femme because that was kind of giving, that kind of hierarchy was giving sort of a tacit acknowledgement, perhaps acceptance of the heterosexual, you know, butch, and you know, the heterosexuals' delineation of male and female, butch and femme. And so that became kind of anathema to me. Like, I do not want to identify as either a butch or femme. Although I have to say, honestly, as a kind of fun thing, we would say it to each other. You know, there are some women who are just much more, much more butch. And I happen to be one of them who it by appearances, by the way I talk, et cetera, could be identified as a butch. And yet that was something I never wanted to do. I wanted all the benefits and privileges of butches, but I didn't want to be identified that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3838.0,3938.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo it sounds like there was something of a class correlation with the desire to fall into those roles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3938.0,3945.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYes. Yeah. Good point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3945.0,3948.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhy do you think that is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3948.0,3951.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI think that we talked about it a little bit in the article and that certainly other lesbian writers about lesbian and gay culture have talked about it as, if you were butch, you were out there. Anybody looked at you and they knew you were a lesbian, just because of the way you presented yourself. And so that often meant that people who were that butch could not be in jobs that were more desirable, higher paying, higher status. They weren't going to get those jobs because they didn't fit in. Now, that is not so much the case, but that was the case for a long time. I mean, I think at Salem State, women who were in, I don't even know if it's still called this department, sport, it was called Phys Ed when I started at Salem State. It then changed to Sports Fitness and Leisure. I have no idea what its name is now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=3951.0,4014.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSport Movement Science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4014.0,4016.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nSport Movement Science, that makes it sound more. But everybody knew that there were lesbians in the Phys[ical] [E]ducation department. And so being friendly with the people in the phys ed department was a signal that you were like accepting of them, wanted to be friendly with them, et cetera. So for example, I found it very amusing at Salem State that a woman I had a brief affair with, it was in the Phys Ed department, ended up teaching, and I had encouraged her to add a course in, and Phys Ed department was teaching health classes as well. And I said, I had suggested to her, you should have a women's health course in that department, because women's health is not being dealt with very well in the ordinary health courses that students are required to take at Salem State. So she did start that class. And it was great that she did that. And then one semester when she was teaching that course, she invited me to come in and speak about lesbians. And I was like, this is...okay, all right, I'll do it. We were no longer together. We were no longer having this affair. So I went to her class in women's health and talked about what it was like to be a lesbian. I showed a little slide show that I had made called Women Loving Women, which was a twenty-five minutes slide tape show about lesbians, which I still have. I'm about to digitize the whole thing. And so I showed that slide show and then I answered questions and talked about it. And my, the teacher showed up for class that day wearing nylons, heels, you know, very dressed up earrings, perfume, the whole thing. And I was just astonished. You know, I showed up in my regular clothes, and I'm sure she showed up to teach that women's health class, usually in sweats, but for this particular class, she was all dressed up, earrings, you know, the whole thing, and I was fine. If that's how she deals with this, at least she invited me to come and speak to them. So twenty-five more students at Salem State know that there's a lesbian and they know some more about lesbians from my having taught this class. But that was a kind of, that was kind of a, yeah, that was, that was a, that was a confounding moment, you know? I guess I felt more sorrow than anger and maybe a little bit of pity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4016.0,4191.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nVery contradictory. She's both trying to reach out and be more open and yet sort of guarded at the same time. And I guess there's a reason they call it a process of coming out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4191.0,4206.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4206.0,4207.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nBecause people need to do it in increments and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4207.0,4211.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nAlthough, I have to say this woman, I'm still friendly with her. I don't see her a lot. I play words with friends with her every maybe once a year, once or twice a year, she and I and another friend of ours will go out to lunch. But she's still very closeted living in a very closeted enclave up in Ipswich and that's the way it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4211.0,4238.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo The Light House is referred to as a \"lesbian bar,\" and I think that's an apt label, but as you note, there are gay men who patron the bar. Do you have a sense in any of the time period that you were studying or when you were going there, what the ratio was between gay and lesbians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4238.0,4272.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI would say that it always seemed as if it was, I would say that close to 70% of the patrons were women when I was there. Now, I never went there during the day because I'm not a bar person during the day. Although for the friends reunions, I did go during the day to that. But yeah, it was mostly women, but men were accepted. Not the way men would have been greeted had they shown up at somewhere in Boston or if they had shown up at the Saints, they would have been promptly ushered out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4272.0,4317.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd you had, do you know what exactly the origins of The Light House Cafe becoming a lesbian bar were during World War II?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4317.0,4330.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nNo, I did talk to some people who said, and not that a lesbian bar in particular, but more a gay bar in particular. I did hear some people say that there were people stationed at the air station at Winter Island here in Salem, which is a place I walk all the time. It's right near my house. And at the Coast Guard station, so it was at the Coast Guard station over in Nahant. And they said that military folks from both Salem and Nahant would come over to The Light House. And they were military folks who were gay. Now, I never chased that assertion down. It was just kind of folklore that had been handed down that that was what it was. But I really don't know the answer to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4330.0,4390.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou used the term survivors to describe the patrons of The Light House. How did you come up with that term?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4390.0,4402.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nOh, just by the time, by talking to the women who I had met at Fran's who had also been patrons at The Light House, I mean, just the hard lives that they had, you know, the hard lives that they had in terms of work, you know, getting jobs that were respectful. Just the violence. There was a lot of violence. That always worried me, you know, where people would talk about the fights that would break out, et cetera. I went to Fran's I would say I wasn't there, you know, I was not a regular, like every month I was there or anything like that, if there were certain events, I might go. And it usually became things like different groups, you know, running things and that were happening at Fran's place at the time. For instance, AIDS, there would be like an AIDS benefit in the [19]80s. And that would attract me to go there. Or if there was some kind of social benefiting some other lesbian and gay event, I would go to that. But again, my real interest in Fran's from 1983 on was around collecting the stories from Fran's. Because I'll go back to my connection with the History Project. And in the History Project, what we were doing was trying to document gay and lesbian history from the 17th century to the present. The first little grant that the History Project got was something like $300 and it might have been for the 300th anniversary of the city of Boston or 350th anniversary of the city of Boston you know I'd have to check on that but the History Project got a grant to do some research about the lesbian and gay history of Boston. And as we were doing that, we put together a long slideshow and we kept, it was one of those things that we kept editing, editing, adding more to it, adding more to the script, and we would go around to community groups and present it. And I realized how much of it was dominated by white males. And if there were women who were acknowledged that we had found out information about for documenting lesbian and gay Boston, they were very often women who were from privileged backgrounds. I think about somebody like Eleanor Sears who lived in Beverly, one of the most wealthy women in Massachusetts. And she was, you know, a lesbian who we chronicled in the history of the area of lesbians and gays. But there were no working class people. And I was, working class men had been studied and identified more by the men in the project than working class women. So when I found out that there was going to be a reunion at Fran's place, and that was a reunion for The Light House in Fran's, I convinced a number of people in the History Project that we should go to the reunion, we should make contact with women there, we should try to get names and phone numbers and that I would take a camera and I would take pictures and we would see if we could find people there who would talk to us and be willing to do oral history interviews with us. And then in one of the photos that I gave to the History Project that you've seen, I convinced Janet Kahn, she became the co-author with me, Libby Bouvier, who still is connected with the History Project, she's an archivist. Chris Zernick, another woman from the History Project. And so it was Chris, Libby, Janet, and I, who went there. And our goal was to get names and numbers. And as I said, I took a camera. And in gay bars in Boston, there's no way that you could take out a camera and start taking pictures of people. People would be like smashing your camera or fleeing from the camera. But at Fran's place, when I'd say to somebody at that reunion in 1983, I said to them, \"So would you mind if I took your picture or do you want me to take your picture with somebody else?\" And they were like \"Yeah sure let me let me do it.\" So I took lots of pictures, black and white photos, because I was into at the time printing black and white photos. So I would say to people, yeah, and I'll be glad to send you a copy of this photo if you give me your name and your address and your phone number. And we can talk about it some more. We can talk about Fran's some more after that. So that was how I introduced it. I would take your picture. I'd love to hear the story. I'll send you the photo. I'd love to hear some stories about you coming to Fran's or coming to The Light House. And can we do it? And so that's what we did. Janet and I, I think, well, Chris might've gotten some names and numbers. I think I was the most, I'm the most gregarious of that crowd that I mentioned. I'm the most gregarious. So I went around a lot and I had the camera and I was taking people's pictures. So yeah, that was how it came about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4402.0,4748.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, it's an amazing project. And I've learned a lot from the work that you've done. And I know a lot of this information is in the article, but before we move on to like more contemporary 21st century stuff, I was wondering if you could say a little bit about the relationship between the patrons of Fran's and the police department and really the larger Lynn community. It seems like there's evidence of it being under a threat of violence and yet at the same time, both tolerated and supported by the larger community, but I wanna hear your perspective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4748.0,4801.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYeah, the violence associated around Fran's and the violence, I suppose, associated with Lynn because it always was a more working class town. I actually, when I separated from my husband and I moved to Lynn, I was looking for a place to live and I found a great place on Ocean Terrace in Lynn and my partner at the time and I moved in there. So we were living ironically very close to it, probably about a mile from where Fran's is. And so, and I, as somebody very interested in women's history and in collecting women's history I was very interested in the shoe industry in Lynn and in women's role in the shoe industry in Lynn and in labor organizing in Lynn so I really wanted to write more about the history of labor in Lynn and about women in the workforce in the shoe industry in Lynn. So all of those things resonated with me. And I love, I wanted to live near the ocean. So I was like four houses up the street from the beach and right on the Lynn Swampscott line there and it was a really nice place to live. However, two things influenced my moving out of there, out of Lynn. One was the pollution along Lynn Shore Drive, the tidal pollution along there that it got to be that the odor from the seaweed was so strong that I just found it really, really difficult to live there. And I was privileged, I had money, I could move someplace else. And, and also, I think it was the day I looked at the Lynn Item, and saw all these members of the Lynn City Council being indicted and I was like, oh my god, this place is just beyond repair. You know, I mean, that was the way I felt about Lynn then in the late [19]70s. I mean, it was in [19]77, [19]78, was when I made a determined effort that I was going to move out of Lynn and move to one of two places. I wanted to be near the ocean. I didn't have a lot of money to buy a house. And so I chose two places to find a house, Nahant and Salem Willows. And I eventually found a house that I could afford to buy in Salem, in Salem Willows. And so in [19]78, I bought that did remodeling, had remodeling, did some remodeling on it, eventually decided I had to have the whole house taken down, but I got a house built in here in Salem Willows. But my feelings about Lynn were mixed. You know, that I was so proud of the history that was Lynn, of the women in the shoe industry in Lynn, of the unions and what they had done and how they had always struggled. And ironically, my husband, by then my ex-husband, had worked for General Electric in Lynn, and he was an electrical engineer. So of course, the [19]60s and the [19]70s were a time of great union strife in Lynn. And he was not the least bit supportive of the union workers at G[eneral] E[lectric], which blew my mind because I was very supportive of the union workers. And he was talking about driving to work and having to go through the picket lines to go to work at G[eneral] E[lectric]. And I found that so shocking, you know, that he would do that. But then, and then at the point that I had come out, I had all these reasons that I was gonna leave him. You know, one of them was, you know, that I was in love with this woman and that I had actually found my identity. It wasn't really to be a partner with him in that marriage, but it was to get out of that marriage and to see what I could find in life, finding happiness and finding my own identity and finding love. So when my husband voted for Richard Nixon, while I had been out working earnestly for George McGovern, I decided this is it. The G[eneral] E[lectric] stuff, the union stuff, the fact that I don't really love you, I love this woman, you know, all of that made me want to leave him. And then eventually when I saw what Lynn sort of slid, was sliding into, I really wanted to leave Lynn. I still had a warm spot in my heart because I sort of, I felt that they were my people the working-class people of Lynn were my people and I was as identified with them as I was with anyone and that was a big part of my feeling very happy teaching at Salem State too, Drew, is that the students were working class students. They were students, many of them like me, the first in their families to go to college, except for my Jesuit uncle, who of course went to college as a priest, but nobody else went to college in my family. I was the first one, I was the first \"civilian\" who wasn't in \"religious life\" to go to college. So being working class and being out as being working class at Salem State was as important to me as being out as a lesbian at Salem State. And so that, I think those pieces of my identity really made me feel that I was doing the things I was supposed to be doing in my life that I wanted to do, that I wanted to feel good about. You know, feeling good about lifting up working class people, feeling good about lifting up gay and lesbian people. And that also came for, played for racial equity as well. You know, that There were some people of color who would go to Fran's Place, to The Light House, but there weren't a lot. And you'll even see that in the photos that you see that I took, and maybe if you see other photos of Fran's Place as well. But there were some people of color in, in Fran's Place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=4801.0,5211.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYeah, that's, that was something I was wondering about as well. So can just briefly address the question of, of tolerance, whether through the police department or the larger Lynn community. What was the non-gay and lesbian relationship like to Fran's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5211.0,5235.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nWell, you know, I think at The Light House, The Light House was more like the start there because and these are stories that I heard, Drew, not that I can corroborate. But The Light House was regarded as a neighborhood bar. I know I've been talking with Jim Moser about where the original Light House Cafe was located and I think he was saying it might have been on Washington Street in Lynn, I'm not sure. But it was a neighborhood bar. So I think gay people and straight people were there perhaps, I don't know if they felt some solidarity together. I would hope that they did. But I mean, at least if anybody had a problem with gay people, they certainly, and they identify, you know, and people who are working class don't identify as working class. If you ask them, they would probably think of themselves as middle-class mostly. I mean, for instance, my Salem State students never thought of themselves as working class. They always identified themselves as middle class and they were clearly working class. But I think there might have been an acceptance of they live in the neighborhood, they're from around here, that they get accepted. I, that's how I speculated about it, that everybody kind of knew each other. And so, but there were people, straight men, and who knows if there were gay people among them who were trying to prove that they were straight, I don't know, who would think it was fun, sport, to go to Fran's place or go to The Light House and just be outside waiting to beat up somebody who came out, just parking in their cars around the area, waiting for people to come out and beating them up. Now it was men who got beaten up mostly, not women. So when you talk about roles like butch and femme, if you knew that men were out there getting beaten up, you didn't wanna go out there, I would assume, having people think you might be a man. But I never talked about that in particular with people. I think that people kind of just knew that. And people got very wary about going out to their cars by themselves, et cetera. You really had to think about protecting yourself. So, just say one other thing, Drew, that I was interested to learn later that many people who were straight went to Fran's because they considered it a fun place. I learned this maybe five years ago when I, when did that article from BUR come out about Fran's place? I don't know if you were-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5235.0,5413.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\n2014?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5413.0,5415.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nNo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5415.0,5416.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you think it's more recent than that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5416.0,5418.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nNo, yeah, there was something, I think it was like 2018 or so, it was the History Project actually put on a program with the woman who wrote the article, the woman who wrote the article was Latino-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5418.0,5432.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\n2019","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5432.0,5432.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nand she really was in a condo there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5432.0,5437.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThat's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5437.0,5439.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nDo you know when that article?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5439.0,5440.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\n2019.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5440.0,5442.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\n2019 yeah. So that article came out and I watched the program that the History Project put on, the, I think it was a webinar. So it might've been in COVID times. I'm not positive when the History Project put this on. But in any case, the article was published in a BUR platform. And I posted that article on my Facebook page. And people who live in Salem who are, you know, heterosexual people commented on my Facebook page, \"Oh, wow, this is amazing. We used to go over there to Fran's place.\" And one guy who would be one of the last people in the world I'd think about being a patron over there, he said, \"Oh yeah, we used to say we were going to France. And that was how we would say we were going to Fran's.\" And I was like, \"Oh, that's pretty amusing that that was what you did.\" But it's nice that people considered it a fun place. And for gay people, more gay men who would go into Boston to socialize with more \"B-list, A-list people\" on their way coming back home to the North Shore would stop often for last call at Fran's place. So I found that found that very amusing. They would not spend their night going to Fran's place, but they would spend the night driving all the way into Boston to socialize with gay people, and then coming back at the end of the night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5442.0,5539.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYeah, I remember reading a few anecdotes about that in some of the transcripts that we've finally gotten back from the History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5539.0,5550.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5550.0,5551.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThe term LGBTQ+ did not exist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5551.0,5556.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nRight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5556.0,5556.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhen you were first doing research on this project what do you see as the benefits and maybe potential limitations of using this larger umbrella category?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5556.0,5574.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nWell, it's awkward when you're writing and it's awkward when you're speaking. However, I think it's important to put that stake in the ground. I think we were, as a lesbian, I resisted just being part of North Shore Gay Alliance. I was like, I don't want you to closet lesbians. I want us to be out there. So I think just that incremental change in the \"moniker\" that we use, I think is a good one. And I think it's educating people and more people, I mean, now to hear people even in the federal government using that is in a certain respect gratifying, But I just let it go with that. It's gratifying. And it's also, it's kind of a sign of progress, I feel. You know, the fact that, I mean, especially with all the assaults on trans people now, I think it's very important for us to stand in solidarity with trans people or people who are questioning. I mean, I can remember reacting to, you notice it was NSGLA. There was no B in that. There was no Q in that for bisexual. In fact, many gay and lesbian people were very suspicious about people who called themselves bisexual, Because we're like, come on, you know, stop using that careful out of your bisexual, you know, identify as lesbian or gay. So that, you know, I mean, I think we have to work through it. And I'm respectful of other groups of people working through what they want to be called. I mean, I have no tolerance when people will say, oh, why can't we just call African-Americans African-Americans? And I'm like, well, because not all of them are African Americans. And I think we've got to be sensitive to what people want to be called themselves. So I really like the movement where people are identifying their pronouns, et cetera. And I feel very suspicious of people who scoff at that. For instance, in the last mayoral race in Salem, there was a candidate who was asked a question at a forum, you know, what pronouns do you use to describe yourself? And my favorite candidate said, you know, his, he, him, his. And the other candidate said, I don't use pronouns, very super silly-ously said, I don't use pronouns. And I thought, you're confirming again for me why I'm not gonna vote for you, I don't use pronouns. I think it's disrespectful. And I think that's partly what we've got to be about is respecting individuals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5574.0,5766.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo speaking of language, there are some elders in the community who are less comfortable with the term queer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5766.0,5775.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nAbsolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5775.0,5776.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI'd be interested to hear your thoughts about the use of that term, which of course started out as a pejorative and subsequently has been appropriated as a kind of act of empowerment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5776.0,5790.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nRight. Yeah. I, you know, I, if somebody asked me, you know, \"How do you identify yourself?\" I would say \"As lesbian.\" I would not just jump to queer. I know the temptation is for some to jump to it and be hip and you're queer. But I understand the sensitivities of some older lesbians and gays and trans people who don't want to identify as queer. Although most trans people would identify as queer, but not all. When I think of the early days of drag queens, I don't think they necessarily would identify as queer. I think that they would identify as lesbian or gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5790.0,5853.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWe're certainly living through an interesting moment of both progress and also to some degree, a sense of going backwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5853.0,5864.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nRight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5864.0,5865.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSomebody who's formative years was during the 1960s, civil rights, feminism, and gay rights, what's your sense of where we are right now and where we're going and what the larger trajectory is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5865.0,5885.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nI missed the last part of that question, Andrew. Would you repeat it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5885.0,5888.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nOh, just what is your sense of where the moment we're in right now, where we're going and the trajectory that we're on. Let me rephrase that. I imagine, and maybe you saw it differently, but there was a sense during the [19]60s and the subsequent decades, that there was the arc of history pointing us in an ever increasingly progressive direction, whether that's civil rights or feminism or gay rights. And at least for some of us, it was hard to imagine that we might go backwards. And I'm trying to make sense of how much optimism you have about this moment, whether you think that arc of progress continues to move forward or are you troubled about this sort of retrograde movement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5888.0,5960.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nYeah, no, I mean I'm troubled by it seeing things that I've seen in- for example in Tennessee. Excuse me. Some of the stuff there where, you know, drag being outlawed totally. But then the transgressive acts of, you know, stars going to perform, for instance, in Nashville and calling drag queens up on the stage. I'm very impressed with that kind of bravery and solidarity from straight allies. And I feel optimistic. I don't feel pessimistic about the future. I feel the challenges are great that are there for the future. But I think that the creativity in terms of the way some folks are approaching this backlash against gay people in particular, I think it's going to right itself. I think we're gonna have to work hard. I mean, I hope the lesson that younger people are learning is that democracy is a participatory sport. You really have to be in there, you have to be doing the things that your community cares about, and you have to stay aware. You can't, I mean, for, as a lesbian, as a political activist, I don't think I can afford the luxury of just resting on what we've done so far. I mean, it's always got to be one more thing. And it's part of my impetus for being really happy that Jim Moser and you and others are working on this United Lynn Pride project because it's establishing a foothold. It's seeing us, you know, that we are there and we have been here for a long time. And that you don't have to look that hard to find us and to find vestiges of what our lives were like in that time. And I always try to encourage people. I've got a friend of mine who's in, a gay man moved from, he was a big part of NSGLA. He moved to Florida, to Gainesville. He was smart, went to a university town. There's always more interesting stuff happening in a university town. And he immediately started Gainesville Gay Straight, Gay and Lesbian, Gainesville Gay and Lesbian Alliance. So he replicated it right down there in Gainesville, Florida in 1991 when he moved down there. And I have been after the History Project and after him to connect and get his history. He was a pack rat. He moved more junk to Gainesville, Florida than anybody I could ever imagine moving it there. He was a guy who sold antiques and collectibles, so he couldn't part with anything. I'm trying to get him to part with photos, articles, buttons, that kind of thing, memorabilia from different stages of his gay life in Massachusetts. So I think it's important for us to share our history, whether it's talking like this, or whether it's giving up the precious things that we've saved like buttons and T-shirts and banners and stuff like that. I think that we need to have them preserved. And that was part of why I became a founding member of the History Project in 1980. I was like, this has to be memorialized. If we don't do it, nobody's gonna do it, you know, or maybe somebody's gonna do it and we're not gonna like the way they did it. And I think for a long time, numbers of us thought about, \"Oh, why don't we collect all this stuff and we'll have it at the Boston Public Library? Or we'll have it at some university archive.\" And then others in our group said, \"Wait a second. Let's look at what's happened to groups of people and how their history has been erased. And if we put it in the Boston Public Library, then politicos have a decision, have skin in the game about making a political decision about whether our materials are going to stay there.\" So I have to credit Libby Bouvier in the History Project because she was one of the people who agitated all along, \"No, we have to have an independent archive, we have to have our own stuff, we have to have control over our own stuff.\" And I was like, \"But how are we going to ever do this without raising tons of money?\" Well, the History Project did realize that it was going to take raising tons of money and getting people to work there to actually memorialize all of this material that has been collected. And I think it's great. I think it's great that the History Project smartened up, got a grant writer who really put them in good shape for at least three years or so. So that's always been the process. And I know that there are other gay and lesbian archives that are much more stable, let's put it, and then have buildings, et cetera. But they, we were trying to hold true to the volunteer spirit. As I'm discovering in that part, in other parts of my life, that the whole idea about volunteering and people volunteering to keep things going is great, except that young people are not willing to give the kind of volunteer time, they can't, because of what the cost of living is now, because of trying to forge a career, get into a profession, they don't have that kind of time. And so we've found that an all-volunteer organization is very difficult to sustain, and members of those organizations get old. And you got to have young people coming along to pick up the mantle and carry it on. So the History Project went through that transition and lots of organizations are going through that kind of transition. But I think it's important for us to find ways to preserve our history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=5960.0,6367.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, it's certainly a testament to the degree to which you value that, that you were willing to talk to me for an hour and 45 minutes. And if we're being completely honest for the historical record, for now pressing upon three hours, if we include all of our technological difficulties on the way. But I know that this has been incredibly enlightening and valuable to me. And before I let you go, I just wanted to ask if there was anything we did not talk about related to The Light House or Fran's or your own personal trajectory that you would like to be preserved for posterity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=6367.0,6417.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nNo, just that I'm really happy that this piece of history, part of it, my history, is being preserved by this project, and that I feel very enthusiastic about participating in it. I feel enthusiastic for another reason, and that is that I have all this stuff in my house, and I have a big house, and it's going to press me to go through those materials even more carefully and get the ones that I think ought to be preserved and that the History Project deems ought to be preserved in their archive. But I just want to encourage everybody to support the LGBTQI+ community in whatever way we can, and for us to really cherish that community and share it with other people. And that's what the History Project is making possible, the sharing of our community with other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=6417.0,6485.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, thank you so much for your time, Pat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=6485.0,6489.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/transcript/66623/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Gozemba\n\nThank you, Drew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846#t=6489.0,6494.04"}]},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/index/81907","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Pat Gozemba Index [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/107013/file/207846/index/81907/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Equity and giving the working class guy a chance. 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