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His parents met in Blackpool, England, where his mother was raised, and his father was stationed as an Air Force member during World War II.  After the war, she would return with him to Everett, Massachusetts, and eventually relocate to Lynn, where they would raise their four children.  As the youngest child, Peter was his mother’s favorite and described a largely happy, working-class upbringing.   Although he had crushes on other boys in grammar and high school, he did not understand it then and even had a girlfriend before going to Franconia College in New Hampshire.  He chose the school, in part because of their progressive policy of not discriminating based on sexual orientation.  By his early twenties, at the height of the disco era, Peter had started attending Fran’s Place and, later, Mr.  Dominic’s.  He met his husband David in 1983, and they built a life in Lynn’s Diamond District, which by the 1990s became a mecca for gays and lesbians.  While working at Greater Lynn Mental Health, Peter became an HIV and AIDS prevention trainer.  Peter was part of a group that published Lynnside Out, a publication and social network for community members.  In 2000, Peter and David moved to Maine and eventually New Hampshire.  He discusses life in these more conservative enclaves and his perspective on the future of the LGBTQ+ movement. \u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBorn in 1957 and raised in Lynn, Peter is a Lynn Classical High School graduate, an artist, a former member of Lynnside Out, and a retired social services program director living in New Hampshire. His parents met in Blackpool, England, where his mother was raised, and his father was stationed as an Air Force member during World War II. \u0026nbsp;After the war, she would return with him to Everett, Massachusetts, and eventually relocate to Lynn, where they would raise their four children. \u0026nbsp;As the youngest child, Peter was his mother\u0026rsquo;s favorite and described a largely happy, working-class upbringing. \u0026nbsp; Although he had crushes on other boys in grammar and high school, he did not understand it then and even had a girlfriend before going to Franconia College in New Hampshire. \u0026nbsp;He chose the school, in part because of their progressive policy of not discriminating based on sexual orientation. \u0026nbsp;By his early twenties, at the height of the disco era, Peter had started attending Fran\u0026rsquo;s Place and, later, Mr. \u0026nbsp;Dominic\u0026rsquo;s. \u0026nbsp;He met his husband David in 1983, and they built a life in Lynn\u0026rsquo;s Diamond District, which by the 1990s became a mecca for gays and lesbians. \u0026nbsp;While working at Greater Lynn Mental Health, Peter became an HIV and AIDS prevention trainer. \u0026nbsp;Peter was part of a group that published Lynnside Out, a publication and social network for community members. \u0026nbsp;In 2000, Peter and David moved to Maine and eventually New Hampshire. \u0026nbsp;He discusses life in these more conservative enclaves and his perspective on the future of the LGBTQ+ movement.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Through A Rainbow Lens"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Through A Rainbow Lens"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/255/original/Aviary_TRL_Header.png?1704389184","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/252/716/small/open-uri20240921-46925-7z9i5a_1726912596.jpg?1726912600","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20240921-46925-7z9i5a.mp4"]},"duration":3285.41547,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/252/716/small/open-uri20240921-46925-7z9i5a_1726912596.jpg?1726912600","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-unitedlynnpride.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/252/716/original/open-uri20240921-46925-7z9i5a.mp4?1726912550","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3285.41547,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Peter Abate transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nToday's date is July 29th, 2024. My name is Andrew Darien. I'm a professor of history at Salem State University, and I'm conducting this interview as part of the Mass Humanities funded project, \"Through a Rainbow Lens: A Reflection on Lynn's LGBTQ+ History.\" I'm honored to be joined today by Peter Abate. Peter was born and raised in Lynn. He's a graduate of Lynn Classical, an artist, a former member of Lynnside Out, and is a retired social services program director living in New Hampshire. Can I confirm that I have your permission to record this conversation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYes, sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=39.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nGreat. Thanks, Peter. You were born and raised in Lynn. Your father was from—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=41.0,48.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nLet me make a correction before you go any further. I was actually, I lived in Lynn [after]I was born, but I was actually was born at Whidden Memorial Hospital in Everett.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=48.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nOh! Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=55.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\n—And I graduated from Lynn English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=58.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nLynn English, okay! Thank you for that correction. I believe your father was from Everett, and your mother was originally from Blackpool, England. Do you know how they met?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=60.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nMy dad was stationed in Blackpool during World War II, and my mom was an aide. She worked on the double decker buses that transported soldiers around the city. I believe that's where they met. My grandmother had a boarding house, so to speak, where she took in military men, and I believe my mom and my dad met there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=77.0,108.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd do you know what their ages were at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=108.0,113.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nMy mom was early twenties. My dad was early twenties, as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=113.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd did he talk to you at all about his war experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=121.0,126.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nNot really. My dad was a pretty quiet guy. My mother, on the other hand, talked me quite a lot about what was happening in Britain at the time during the Blitz, and the things that they had to go through and endure. My mother was very vocal about it, but my dad was a sergeant, I believe in the Air Force. I can't remember the name of the base where he was stationed, but he was stationed in Blackpool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=126.0,159.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd when your mother came back with him to the U.S. [United States], did they move to Everett or did they go directly to Lynn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=159.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI believe they went directly to Lynn. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=168.0,172.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd can you tell me a little bit about which neighborhood in Lynn [that] you grew up in, and what it was like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=172.0,182.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nWell, my dad worked at Cushman's, which was a big factory in Lynn: [a] bread baking company —very well known at the time. And my dad and my mom owned a house very close to Cushman's on Sidney Avenue, which was right in Chatham Street area, off of Chatham Street. It was working class folks. Yeah, it was it was pretty much working class community at the time, but they owned their own house, and it was at the end of Sidney Avenue, which was actually very close to Cushman's, where my dad worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=182.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd am I correct that you have three older siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=224.0,228.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=228.0,229.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd did you did you grow up with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=229.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYes. Well, my brother, um, actually left for the Air Force when I was a little kid, and he actually stayed in [the] San Antonio area, where he later got married. But as far as my older sister, Shirley, and my sister, Linda, yes, we grew up together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=232.0,252.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how much older than you were they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=252.0,254.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI am the youngest. My brother is about ten years older than me. My sister Linda is three years older, and my sister, Shirley, I think, is five years older. I'm the baby in the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=254.0,269.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWould you say that you were, uh, a quintessential youngest child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=269.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nUh, yes. Yes. I was actually my mom's favorite, and literally the baby of the family sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=277.0,287.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWas your family very religious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=287.0,290.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nNo, my dad was Catholic and did not go to church. My mom was Episcopalian, and did not go to church. We were brought up Catholic. We all went to....it was actually Saint Joseph's in Lynn, which is close to the downtown area. Yeah. We were brought up, pretty much brought up Catholic. I never finished my communion and did all that stuff my other siblings did. But, the intent was that we were going to be brought up Catholic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=290.0,324.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo maybe your household wasn't terribly religious, but do you feel like there were certain values that you grew up with, or certain lessons that were important for your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=324.0,339.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nTo some degree. My mom, pretty much from the time I was probably four or five, my mom was was separated from my dad. So, she brought all of us up on her own, which wasn't very easy because she was either working or just trying to survive with us. When I look at the things that I learned from my mom, my mom was was an amazing woman. She gave to everybody. She did for everybody. She would have given you the shirt off her back if you needed something. My mom was that type of person, and I think my family, in a lot of ways, we've all we all learned from that —because we are very giving, and very supportive to others. Also, my mom was just [a] very hard worker. I mean, she really.....—and I can say with my family today that all of my family are very hard workers, and pretty decent people, but I think just the working hard, and also giving and supporting others, I think we learned that from my mom. My dad was pretty quiet, and also a hard worker. But, my dad wasn't a guy that would sit down and tell you a lot of stories about this and about that. My dad was more comfortable— most comfortable —at the VFW [Veterans of Foriegn Wars], at the Gutro post, playing cards. And I tell people to this day that I love beer, but the reason why I love pilsner beer is because it smells like my dad at the VFW, when I used to go visit him there and he'd be playing cards and that kind of thing. So, good people, and I think that that it instilled in us that is that we were good to others, and just hard workers, and very supportive as a family to each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=339.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow do you think your mother would have described you as a young child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=451.0,458.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nNo, I don't know. I think when I applied for college, I remember one of the colleges I applied to was Franconia College in New Hampshire, and my mama, my mother, had to write a an essay about me, and when I went for my interview to Franconia —I wish I had it to this day, but the interviewer who I met with told me that it was one of the nicest things he ever saw written about anybody. Again, I don't remember the details of it, but I think my mom was proud of me. I think she loved me. When I came out in the early '79-ish in there somewhere, my mom found out that I was gay, and this was typical of my mom— and I'm getting a little emotional about this, but—my mom told me straight out when she found out that I was gay, that there wasn't anything that I could ever do in my life that would make her stop loving me, which is a big thing. I don't think she was, I don't think she was all that happy about it because she wanted, I think, I think ideally she wanted to have grandchildren. She even mentioned the 'pitter-patter' of little feet around the house, that kind of thing. But, she was super supportive. My family, all-in-all, was very supportive, as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=458.0,545.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI'd like to hear a little bit more about the evolution of you coming out, particularly to your family, but do you remember who your first crush was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=545.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI do. And again, you got to remember, in those days, we didn't I didn't think of homosexuality, or gay, in the term of homosexuality and gay. For me, as a kid, it was a very emotional feeling inside and a very —an attraction inside. But, there weren't a lot of terms for it when I was younger. Kids didn't, we weren't getting sexual education in school. We didn't have banned books. It wasn't probably until Anita Bryant, people didn't talk about what was happening in the gay world around the kitchen table. When I was in the sixth grade, I knew I had these feelings, and there was a classmate who I definitely had a crush on, and went on to be a classmate of mine for many years after that. [They were] not a not a close friend, but an acquaintance, years later. But, for those initial crushes and stuff, I think that when I was in the sixth grade, that's the first time I started to feel anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=561.0,633.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid it scare you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=633.0,636.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nNo, it didn't, because like I said, in those days, we didn't know what it was about. I didn't understand what those feelings were. And we didn't have all the the strok— people weren't forcing social restrictions down our throats. We were just getting [on] by day-by-day. In my day, when something was going on, you didn't just run home and tell your parents about it. Kids dealt with things on their own. So, it didn't scare me at all. It confused me, to some degree, but I certainly was not scared by it in any way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=636.0,671.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd I imagine, in sixth grade was roughly about the time of the Stonewall Riots. I imagine that that was something that was not really on your radar, or brought to your attention at the time, and perhaps not until many years later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=671.0,688.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYeah. No, we never heard anything about that. Those kinds of things weren't discussed. I know my mom was really busy trying to keep us going and support us, so those weren't the things that we talked around the table. I did know later, probably around that time, maybe even a little earlier, I did know that my mom knew people who were gay, and I didn't really totally understand that. But, she had a friend, who was a good friend of hers, whose brother actually worked at one of the gay bars in Lynn. Again, we didn't use the term 'gay'. As kids, we just knew that there was something that was different about it. I think I had mentioned to you that we bowled, in the fourth and fifth grade, we bowled at the Lucky Strike bowling alley, which was next door to Fran's. Even as kids, we would run by the doorway. I don't know where we got the information from, or where we got the sense from, that Fran's was a different bar. But as kids, I think we must have picked that up somewhere, because kids used to run by and they'd scream and they'd do what kids do, at that age. So, I mean, of course, those kinds of things—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=688.0,762.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat kinda things would they scream?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=762.0,763.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nOh, they would just yell and make noise. They would challenge something as kids. But, um.....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=763.0,774.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWas it a form of derision?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=774.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI think so. Like I said, we didn't understand it, but we knew, we absolutely knew, that [in] some way, shape or form that Fran's was a different bar. I think at that point, they had the triangle windows in front, because you couldn't see. It was just that one doorway on whatever that street is. So, it was kind of dark, and like I said, you couldn't see into the bar because they had the triangle windows. Fran had told me one time, and I think Fran told me this, that after in the '40s and the '50s, when they used to go by and shoot out her windows, she finally got sick and tired of replacing them, so that's when she put those diamond windows in. I don't know if that's absolutely accurate, but I believe that Fran had mentioned that to me. But as kids, like I said, we were......—and that was it. You know? You'd run by the doorway and then you'd head home, and it was all over. So, um....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=781.0,836.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhen was the first time you went to Fran's Place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=836.0,842.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nUh, it probably had to be around 1979.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=842.0,847.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo you were in your early twenties at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=847.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYes. Yeah. Twenty, twenty-four, twenty-three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=851.0,856.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd, um, what were you like in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=856.0,861.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI was a pretty typical kid. I was lucky, in high school, because I had good friends, I had good people. I've always been fairly lucky with that. I've always had good people around me. I mean, there were a lot of assholes in life, here and there. But for the most part in my life, I've been very lucky and blessed that I've had pretty decent people around me. I had decent friends in high school. I did have a girlfriend in high school who is still a very good friend of mine. I just talked to her yesterday. I marched in drum and bugle corps, so I had a lot of after school activities. I marched with the drum and bugle corps from Danvers— Blue Angels of Danvers. But in high school, I was pretty typical kid. I wasn't super smart, I was kind of average. When I graduated, I graduated one-hundred-and-fifth in my class. We had about five-hundred-and-ten people in the class. It was a big school. I wasn't a major into sports. I did play tennis, I was on the tennis team. [I was] definitely involved in art. A lot of my art background, and I credit to....—we had a great teacher, Ruth Sparks, who was an icon, in those days. And Mr. Lobner, who was the mechanical drafting teacher, and I....—Those are two classes that I really loved, and had a lot of friends in, and [I] was fairly close to those teachers. But in high school, I was pretty typical. Like I said, I did have a lot of friends, a lot of good friends, who I actually [am] still friends with to this day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=861.0,958.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat made you want to go to school at Franconia College?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=958.0,964.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nUm, I wanted to get out of the city. I had never been out of the city as a young person. I loved the fact that it was in the White Mountains. One of the things— and I still have it here somewhere in the catalog — is that even though I didn't understand what my orientation was at that time, I did know that [I could] have a little bit more information about it. But in their catalog, they did state, I think it was probably one of the only catalogs in the country that had a statement that they did not discriminate against sexual orientation, which [was] a big thing in '70, '75, '76. Just to get out of the city and be somewhere where it was in the country and beautiful. It was a very big time for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=964.0,1013.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd did you have a good experience there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1013.0,1017.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYes, I did. Franconia College, unfortunately, succumbed to a budget crisis and closed, which [happened] my second year that I was there. Other than that, I mean, it was a great school. It was a very small population. We had about five hundred students. It was an alternative school, so there were no rules on campus. I mean, there [was] no testing. All the tests were done through essays and meetings with your teachers, and supervisions with your teachers. I had a good relationship with a couple of teachers there who, almost up until recently, I was still in contact with. But, I got away from Lynn. I pretty much learned who I was. I realized that I learned more about my sexuality and where I was headed with that. So, yeah, it was a good experience for me. I grew a lot in that two year period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1017.0,1088.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid you have romantic relationships in college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1088.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nNot during that time. I did have a couple of people that I had a crush on. I have to say, as well, in that first year after high school, I had five very close friends who came out within that first year, as well. And these weren't acquaintances, these were people that I was very close to. It's funny because we never really talked about it when we were in high school, or never really talked about it into that first year of college. It was during that first year of college that we started coming out. Sadly to say, two of those people have passed away. My dear friend, Dan, he passed away in December of '23. We met when I was in junior high school, [when] I started working at Camp Kiwanis, which was in Lynn Woods. It was a camp for children with disabilities, with developmental disabilities. That's what I did for my summer job all through junior high school, right into my first year of high school, I believe. That's where I had met Dan. Dan was a little younger than me, and he did go to Classical, which there was a big difference in Lynn between East and West when I was in school, especially in junior high school. That's where we met. But, unfortunately, he passed away in December of '23. But one of those people, another one of those folks, also passed away three or four years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1093.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou mentioned that there's a group about five or six close friends who came out shortly after high school, and none of you had ever spoken with one another about your sexual identity. Do you think there was some subconscious understanding that drew you all to one another?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1200.0,1219.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nOh, sure. Oh, sure. Absolutely. Um, because we all we weren't really all sports related. We were more, I think, art and education related. I did march in drum corps, so one of those friends, a couple of those friends were, or at least one of those friends was, involved in drum corps as well. Yeah, absolutely drawn to each other. There were other people in high school that came out after that as well that I knew, but these folks, I mean.......When my mom found out that I was gay, that was one of the first questions she started asking me was, \"Well, what about your friends?\" And she would say, \"Well, how about?\" And I would say, \"Yes.\" And she would say, \"Well, how about?\" And I'd say, \"Yes.\" And she'd be, \"Well how about?\" And I'd say, \"Yes.\" And she said, and I said, \"Yes.\" And she said, and the last one she hesitated. She was like, and I said, \"Yes.\" I think she was pretty thrown off by that. I know she made some reference to whether something was in the water or something like that. I think my mom was trying to to joke about it, or to kind of ease what she was going through. But it was certainly eye opening for her to, to find that out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1219.0,1291.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nPerhaps eye opening? But it also sounds like she had pretty good gaydar!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1291.0,1297.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nWell, I don't know. I don't think my mom really, really thought about it in those terms. For me coming out, it was kind of a new experience for her, as far as her children were concerned. I got a lot of support from my, my fam, my other sisters, as well. And my dad, my dad and I never really talked about it, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1297.0,1321.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\n—And roughly what age did you come out to your parents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1321.0,1325.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nIt was about 1979, so I was about twenty three, twenty four? Twenty three, maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1325.0,1333.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat made you decide to do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1333.0,1338.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nLet me think about that. Well, actually it happened, I have to say it happened by accident, and I don't want to share the details of that story, but let me think. It was, uh.....Yeah, I think I was twenty two, twenty three, somewhere in there. But my mom actually happened upon me with a boyfriend at the time, and that's what kind of brought me out to my mom. I was already out to my sister Shirley at the time, so my mom didn't know about it at the time, but....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1338.0,1373.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd it sounds like, given where they came from, what their experiences were, and what they knew, they handled it in quite a supportive way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1373.0,1386.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nOh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I'm very lucky in that respect. Through my life, through my work situations, through not only working in social services, but my bartending days, my waitering days, I've always been around— there's always been gay people around me, and I've always had...—And other folks who......—I have a lot of very good friends to this day, who I've worked with over the years, and [who are] very, very supportive. I mean, working in social services, there was a there was a lot of gays in that area, in that field, anyway. And obviously, working in restaurants and that kind of thing, there were a lot of gays in that field. But, I have to say that I have been very blessed to have good people around me, in that respect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1386.0,1435.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo, it sounds like just before you accidentally came out to your parents was around the time, or maybe a year or two earlier, that you first went to Fran's. Tell me about the decision to go into that mysterious place that other kids would yell at.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1435.0,1457.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nUm, you know, I don't remember specifically whether there is a story there. I don't remember the first time I went in there. I know that....In those days, you have to remember that, '79, '80, '81—pre-AIDS, before AIDS came out, —And I can tell you exactly where I was when when I first heard of AIDS —but those were disco days, you know? I think that anybody who says that disco sucks, certainly does not know anything about disco, and how much fun we had in those days. We lived to dance. We lived to dance, and there were a lot of drugs and a lot of sex. But in those days, and not only Fran's, but the bars in Boston. I know that in your information, you say that Fran's is was the first [gay] bar in the state of Massachusetts, but I always thought that Sports in Boston was one of the first gay bars in the country. I had always heard that, anyway. But, this whole disco scene was a party scene. I mean, we had fun. You went out and you had camaraderie with people, and you danced, and danced, and danced. So anybody, like I said, anybody who says that disco sucks, really, really has no clue what was going on in those days because they were fun! I have on my Sirius [X.M.], in my car right now, I have the Studio Fifty Four station, and I can hear songs on that all the time that just bring me right back to what I was doing then, and who I was with, and what we were dancing to. You know? The different singers. I mean, Sylvester and Cheryl Lynn, and all those people. I mean, it was a huge part of our lives in those days. And I think Fran's, also, because people dance there and there was music there, I think that was probably what attracted me to it and how I got involved with in the beginning. And I lived in that neighborhood, so I had a lot of friends in that neighborhood, as well, who also went to Fran's. We were all mostly all young, and low income, renting apart— There are a lot of people that lived in, in that area, Sagamore and Sachem, and Nahant Street, and Newhall Street. Most people were within walking distance of the bar, so they could go to the bar and [I] know that I was. I think that Fran's was a little different in those days, too. I know that it later on in the '90s, the population changed a little bit. But when I was there, um, we didn't have the Hispanic night and that kind of thing. I don't remember that in the early '80s. I think that happened later on in the '80s, or maybe the '90s. But, uh, so the population changed at Fran's quite a bit over the years. But it was a lot of fun. It had its own culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1457.0,1639.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid you ever feel unsafe going into Fran's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1639.0,1647.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI never felt unsafe. Well, you had to feel unsafe to some degree, because you had to be careful walking there and leaving there —especially at nighttime. Most people, after they've been drinking and hanging, they stayed until the bar closed, and then everybody would hang out out front. There was always a lot of a lot of trouble out front. You'd have people driving by and yelling slurs, and that kind of thing. There were other people driving around for other reasons, too, looking for tricks and for picking up people, and not tricks. But, certainly looking for sexual encounters. When Fran's closed, outside it could be it could be a little, a little hairy. I mean, you had to be very careful, if you were walking especially, but when you were in Fran's, I don't remember ever feeling unsafe while I was there. I mean, there was a lot of potential, especially with a lot of the women in there, there were sometimes fights and brawls, and that kind of thing. But even with that, I don't think I ever felt unsafe there. It was basically getting there and getting home from there, especially if you're walking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1647.0,1730.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDo you have any sense of what the relationship was like with the Lynn police?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1730.0,1739.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI never saw them. I never had any experience with them bothering us, or bothering anybody there, during the times that I was there. I think that they did keep up [with events there.] They did roam those neighborhoods and stuff, but I don't remember the police ever being an issue there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1739.0,1757.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd, if I'm correct, your mother was friends with the sister of the owner of Dominic's. Is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1757.0,1765.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI don't think he was the owner. He worked there. He was a brother of a friend of my mother's. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1765.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nUm, so you had gone to Dominic's as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1770.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI did not go to Dominic's until later, probably. Maybe early '80s? In those days,actually there were two sites for Dominic's. There was one that was down across from 47 Central, and that was the first one, and I can't....I think it was called Dom's or Dom's Place? Um, or Dominic's? And then it moved to— later on, like in the '80s, late '80s, early '90s —I think it moved to, um, right on Broad Street [on] the corner of Washington Street, which [was] not far from Fran's, and that single building that was there. I'm pretty sure that was called Dominic's or....Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was called Dominic's, so, it had a couple of different locations. But the other Dominic's across from 40 Central, 47 Central, I may have gone in twice, maybe three times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1774.0,1829.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou mentioned earlier that you remember the specific moment when you learned about the AIDS crisis. Can you tell me about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1829.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nWell, it was probably 1983. I was seeing a man from from Ottawa, who I had met on one of my drum corps trips up to Montreal. He had a house in Boca Raton, which was right next to these mangrove swamps. They were just absolutely beautiful. I mean, the trees were, like, hundreds and hundreds of years old. And I remember being there with him, I had just started doing some of my artwork, some of my geometrics there. And I remember it was kind of an odd experience because there was something on the news about— it was called the 'gay disease'. That's what people were referring to it as. People were really scared about it. I mean, people were really questioning it and wondering about it. And that night, and I think we heard it on the news, the local news there, but that night, I actually had a dream that my dad was calling me, and I heard his voice three times: \"Call me.\" And I attribute it to these mangrove swamps, I think that maybe spiritually he was around or something! But I also kinda thought that he was giving me notice, or letting me know [to] be careful. Y'know? \"This is important.\" But, that was the first time that I had ever heard about it. I didn't know anybody at that time that had it. Later in life, I had friends that that passed away [from] AIDS complications, some very good friends. I saw friends who were disowned by their families because of it. A lot of people had a lot of complications from the drugs they were being put on during the whole process. Um, so during the AIDS crisis itself, I did— this was after, I think '83, I want to say on, —I had a lot of friends who had passed away from AIDS, and it was very scary because you never knew, you know, whether it was going to be you next or....I know I certainly had enough, uh, you know.....I certainly was sexually active enough that I could have been at risk. It was, it was a scary time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=1840.0,2000.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid your sexual practices change?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2000.0,2005.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nWell, they did, yes, because I met my husband around '83. Maybe, '80? Yeah, '83. And we've been together pretty much that whole time, so absolutely. Y'know, I think everybody's, everybody's attitude towards it changed and everybody's practices changed. —I can't say that! Some people's it didn't, but I think most people, for most people, that, their activities did change. And when I worked, I worked at Greater Lynn Mental Health for fifteen years, which was based right in Lynn. I worked in the department, I worked in the MR [Mental Retardation] area of Greater Lynn Mental Health, and I had actually been trained as an HIV and AIDS prevention trainer. So I did a lot of trainings with the staff. I did some trainings with some of their clients, some of the folks that had developmental disabilities. Um, so that was another way for me to actually learn so much through that whole process. We did trainings and we did role plays, and we had this one roleplay that we called uh.....—it was having sex, and what you would do is, you would give everybody a placard and they would have the different steps of, of having sex on it, and they would have to rearrange themselves on, on what was, what was appropriate, what wasn't appropriate, which was for most people, it was okay. For some people, they were a little squeamish about it, but basically you'd have ten people and it would start with, \"What's the first step and then what's the last step?\" You know what I mean? And they would line themselves up and they would put the whole the whole thing together. So, um.....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2005.0,2117.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWere you very involved in, uh, consciousness raising and the politics of HIV?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2117.0,2126.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nNo. Not really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2126.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow did you and David meet one another?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2130.0,2134.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nUh, we met through a boyfriend of mine. David had a date to go out boating or something, and I was at this boy, this ex-boyfriend's house when David came, and I opened the door, and pretty much that was it for me. We started dating at that point and pretty much together since. Yeah, it was through, It was through another boyfriend of mine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2134.0,2163.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nIf someone would have told you the day after you met David, that you would be married, and your marriage would be sanctioned by the state of Massachusetts, would you be surprised?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2163.0,2178.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI would be surprised because it wasn't my intention through those years. David and I actually.....—I was working in New Hampshire at the time, we had already moved to Maine, and my company, Crotched Mountain, which is a very good company, I worked there for just before I semi-retired in 2019. Um, David was on my insurance under a domestic partnership. When the law changed in New Hampshire, which I think changed in 2007, when the law changed in New Hampshire, my company mandated for all employees who had domestic partnership, regardless of whether they were heterosexual or homosexual, they had to be married because of the law change, because they were getting rid of the domestic partnership. So David and I actually got married with the Justice of the Peace who worked in the Human Resource office, who I knew very well. We did it, primarily at that point.....I mean, we had been together so long, it really was a natural progression. But we did it also so he could keep his insurance at the time, his health insurance. And then at the time, Maine hadn't passed the law. Maine didn't pass the law until 2009, I believe. Um, so we actually applied for a license in New Hampshire, I believe, in the town where I work now. I believe we were the first. I think we were the first gay couple who got a marriage license in that town. Then, when it changed in Maine, we kind of fit into it. Maine didn't change until like 2009, I think. But it was it had nothing to do with Massachusetts. Massachusetts had changed, had put the law in place a few years before that, but we had already moved up here. We moved up to Maine in 2000— 1999, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2178.0,2294.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nUh, that's quite a big change for a kid from Lynn, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2294.0,2299.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYes, yes. Well, it was just before Y2K [Year Two Thousand], and we were very concerned about that, as a lot of people were. We were living in the Diamond District, which, you know, which was pretty busy. We had, in front of my house, there were a lot of drug deals and traffic. Even though it was a great neighborhood, but we were looking for more land because David is a gardener and a landscaper. I had already been, because I had lived in the White Mountains when I was in school, I loved it up here. So, we were actually looking for a space where we could have land, and have someplace to go. Especially with Y2K, if there was something going to be happening [we wanted a place] that my family could go to. We have a nice piece of property. It's twenty-six acres. It's pretty private and quiet. And have we've been here twenty five years, actually! I mean, if you look back, when we talked about this interview originally, I looked back at all the places I had lived. In the Diamond District, we were bohemians in the Diamond District as far as I was concerned. I probably had eleven different apartments in the Diamond District over those years, so I knew that neighborhood very well. When we started Lynnside Out, we started it primarily because we knew that there were a lot of gays moving into that neighborhood. The property values were very low, reasonable. You could still buy a house and for [a] relatively reasonable [amount]— you can't anymore, but [you could then,] for a relatively reasonable amount of money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2299.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nFor those who don't know, tell us a little bit about what Lynnside Out was and Is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2395.0,2406.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nUm, well, Lynnside Out is no longer. It folded in, I want to say 2000, but it actually started as a joke, to tell you the truth. We, me and a neighbor, a good friend of mine, were.....uhm, there was a house on the corner of Walcott and Lynnshore Drive that was for sale. It's like the only house on Lynnshore Drive that had a lawn. It's got this massive lawn in front of it. It's right next to the Christian Science church, and we were joking one day about buying that property and calling it the 'South Swampscott Beach Club' because it was right on the ocean, right? It had this beautiful lawn. We envisioned ourselves out there in lawn chairs, and tanning and having cocktails, and that kind of thing. We actually called the realtor, and went through the house with the realtor to see it. But of course, it was out of our —we already had our own houses and stuff, so it was financially not feasible for us. But that's how it kinda started. We realized that there were gays in the neighborhood [and] that we wanted to pull a social group together. It was really a social group. We went door to door, believe it or not, and handed out invitations to the first meeting, which didn't go over with some people because we were assuming people were gay when maybe they weren't. That was around August of '96. So, we started this social group. It was really related to.... —In the initial forming of it, it was mostly house parties, that kind of thing. We did progressive dinner parties, which were a lot of fun. You'd start at one house and have cocktails and hors d'oeuvres, and you'd go to the next house for the main course and more cocktails, and then you go to another house after dinner [for] dessert and that kind of thing. It was a lot of fun. We did a few of those. Most of the houses were within walking distance, so they were fairly safe. I actually made a list for you here somewhere. We did, uh, we did hikes in Lynn Woods.We had a couple of trips to Maine. I had good friends that owned the Ogunquit Beach, Mike and Greg, and we had a couple of trips up to there. We used to have dinner a lot. We'd have dinner, like at Papa John's and Titania on on Fisherman's Wharf beach, Fisherman's beach. They were very supportive to us. They were great places to go. We did a couple of events at the historical society. We did a lot of the tea dances, like at 47 Central and at Fran's, that kind of thing. We had a big, beautiful garden party, which was at one of the nicer houses in the Diamond district that had a really beautiful yard and garden. It was very dressed up affair. We had another big cookout up in Danvers, at another friend's place. But, it started as a social group, and it was to get people together to have fun. Also, we did a couple of fundraisers. We did a fundraiser for the Lynn Item Santa. We did one for the Lynn Historical Society, and also for the Boston Living Center at the time, which was working with people with AIDS and HIV, and that kind of thing. Basically it started as a group to bring people together. There were a lot of gays moving into the Diamond District at the time, and I kind of credit, in some ways, I would like to credit Lynnside Out as being one of those reasons why people were learning about the Diamond District. And we published about, I want to say maybe seventeen or eighteen newsletters. That was called, 'The Outlook'. On the other side of the page, it was called the 'Other Side', where we had ads, we had real estate ads. We had business ads. My friend Bob Bond, who works with Bob Bond Associates, he's up in Maine now, but he's from Lynn, very well known in Lynn. He had his business there for years, graphic business, he did the newsletters for us. So we had newsletters, we had flyers that we sent out and it went through about 2000, the year 2000. During that time, we actually tried to get involved with a couple of other groups. There was a group from, I think, [from the] Medford area called the 'Tri-State Group', and there was another group called the 'North Shore Men', and I don't remember much about them, but we did try to actually get involved with some other groups as well. But I think at the height of it, we probably maybe had a hundred people in the group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2406.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nMen and women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2700.0,2704.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nYou know, it ended up being mostly men. In the beginning, there were a few women, but it ended up being mostly men towards the end, that I remember. But I have to say, when we wanted to name the group, we originally started with the 'South Swampscott Neighborhood Association', which, at our first meeting, we had everybody brought in different ideas for names. And there was a young woman, her name was Laurie, I want to I think her last name began with a C. I do know, but I can't tell you it. But she actually came up with Lynnside Out. So, the group was actually named by a young woman who participated in the earlier meetings that we had, but it was a lot of fun. I think that we have a lot of.....—There are a lot of us that are still friends to this day. It formed some great friendships. I have probably, uh, maybe ten friends to this day that that I'm still relatively close with, with that actually were formed during that time with Lynnside Out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2704.0,2769.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat [were] the demographics of the group? Was it pretty homogeneous?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2769.0,2778.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nUm, I think most were from Lynn. There were a couple of people from, like I said, there were maybe a couple of people from Swampscott. I think that's what you're asking me is where the people were from, but it was mostly, it was mostly Lynn. There were a lot of people from West Lynn, as well. It wasn't just the Diamond District. It was a pretty large group of friends, mostly white. I want to say, yes. I want to say 'yes', at this point. that I can think of. When I left, when I left the group, because we moved, I think they went on into 2000, and I think that they just had a very hard time keeping it together. But, yeah. In any case, it was a good group. It was a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2778.0,2842.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nUh, the bars you discussed, and then later the community around Lynnside Out, seems very communally-oriented and very sustaining. I imagine there was a little bit of sense of loss once you moved up to Maine?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2842.0,2865.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nWell, you know what? I think what changed with the group was that they were trying to move to more involved activities. In other places, like when we started it, we wanted it to be like a neighborhood thing. But I think that the group that was managing it at the time wanted to break into doing trips to Montreal and doing some of the casino [stuff], and doing this, and I don't think a lot of people were really into that. There were a few people that were, but I think. for the most part, people really loved the neighborhood stuff. I think that may have been a reason why. I could be wrong on that, but I think that might have been one of the reasons why. And it was a lot of work. as well. It depended on a lot of volunteers, and a lot of people being involved, and meetings, and that kind of thing. So logistically, I think that it was tough in a lot of different ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2865.0,2919.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThere's a been a lot of progress and rights for LGBTQ+ people over the period you're discussing, but at the same time, it feels like— and you can correct me if I'm wrong —in the last five to ten years, there's been a bit of a backlash. I'm wondering how you make sense of all that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2919.0,2947.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nWell. I think politics doesn't help right now —especially with a lot of the religious groups that are trying to take us back. Not all [religious groups], but there are there are some. I think that social media hasn't helped in a lot of ways. I think there's a lot of bullying, and a lot of misinformation on social media. I think that young people today need to be more educated on where we came from, and the sacrifices that people have made over the years, not just prior to Stonewall. I don't think a lot of people realize [that history]. I mean, things [go] back to in time through history. I think that people need to be more educated on that, so that they feel like that's a bigger part of who they are, and what they are. Because I think young people.....—I remember when I was young and I was gay, I remember I had an older friend who was gay who, who um......I can't remember the comment, but it was........—When we were young and gay, it was like we didn't really think about much. We didn't really worry about much. We were just doing what we were doing. And I think he had made a comment saying that when you get older, you'll understand. You'll understand more about this. And I do now, as I'm older. I think, we went through a lot to get here, and I'd like younger people to have a sense of that, as well. I think that would really help —especially with the politics right now, I don't want to go into that because that's a whole 'nother interview, but I think young people need to stand up for themselves, and also be more involved in what is happening out there, and not take it for granted. History repeats itself. I mean, people need to understand that. We're on a very fine line of rights and no rights, so I think that's always that will always be the way, if that makes sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=2947.0,3085.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWould you say on the whole you're optimistic about the future and LGBTQ+ rights?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=3085.0,3098.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nI'm optimistic in the fact that I think we have enough people who can bring that to the forefront. I'm not optimistic with what's happening politically in this country. I am hoping that we do take it in the right direction, and that we do have a government in place that's going to protect our rights and protect our ability to....You know, I think that we look at this world somewhat.......We look at the world sometimes, like we're all these individual nations, and I think in this, in this part of our history of the planet, we have enough people on this planet who don't buy into all of that. We're a country of the world, really, in a lot of ways. I think that if people......—we're changing all the time, and I think that if we accept people's changes, and look at their changes, it's just a natural thing. It's going to happen. And I think that when you have people that are trying to get rid of that, and bring us back in time, and take away our rights. I think ideally that young people are going to do what they do, and they're going to be challenged on a regular basis. So, am I optimistic about that? Yes, because I think that's going to happen regardless of what anybody does. But, I don't think people should be fooled that it's going to be easy in any way, shape or form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=3098.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nLast question for you, so we get ourselves within that twelve o'lock lunch window for David. What would you most want, let's say, your political adversaries or those people who don't quite appreciate your lived experience to know about you, and about this community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=3198.0,3232.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nOne: that we're here. Two: we're not going anywhere. And three: if people think that they're just going to steamroll us into losing our rights, it's not going to happen. We're going to fight, and we're still going to be our community, and we're still going to have our rights. And if there's going to be a setback, nothing's going to come of it. We will prevail in the end because I think that good always prevails over evil in some way, shape, or form— no matter what. I think that it's important for people to know that we're here, and we're not going anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=3232.0,3278.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, Peter, thank you very much!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716#t=3278.0,3282.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/136178/file/252716/transcript/71573/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Abate\n\nWell, thank 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