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My name is Andrew Darien. I'm a professor of history at Salem State University, and I'm conducting this interview as part of the Mass Humanities funded project, Through a Rainbow Lens, a Reflection on Lynn's LGBTQ+ history. I have the privilege of being joined today by Denae Ramos-Pachucki, currently of Boxford, Massachusetts. She grew up in Lynn and graduated from Lynn English in 2000, where she started the G[ay]S[traight]A[lliance] and became a member of the North Shore Alliance of GLBTQ Youth known as N[orth shore]A[lliance of]G[ay]L[esbian, Bisexual, and Transgender]Y[outh]. Welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1.0,44.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nHey, thanks for having me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=44.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nCan I confirm that I have your permission to record this conversation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=46.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nAbsolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=51.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThank you. So you were born in Lynn, and it seems as if your family has some deep roots there. Could you maybe describe Lynn to someone who has never been there before and maybe say a little bit about what your particular neighborhood was like in the [19]80s and [19]90s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=53.0,73.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah. So Lynn is a city with about 100,000 people. It's a big city, very diverse, people from all different cultures, backgrounds, races, socioeconomic statuses. But I would say that it is a city that can sometimes get a bad rap because like many cities, there is a lot of crime and there's just a lot happening. And I think that when you combine poverty with large population, sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. And unfortunately that can increase crime rates. But I grew up in a place, in a portion of Lynn that they actually call the Highlands, which is up in the hills of Lynn. And it's an area that is also kind of known as a little bit of a rough area. And so growing up, I definitely experienced, there was a lot of kind of crime. I mean, I remember growing up and having, I think I had five different bikes stolen, which was sad because you lock them up and you're like, \"Oh God, not another one.\" And I was lucky enough to even have the opportunity to even have those. But I definitely, I was, I would say maybe lower to middle class, but a lot of my friends around me were definitely struggling quite a bit in terms of their parents were on welfare, dealing with drug addiction, things like that. So it was kind of a mixed bag. You'd have some other kids on the street that their parents were doing pretty well and they had all the resources and things that they needed, but a lot of the kids that I hung out with, some of them didn't really have anything. And so I was lucky in the sense that I did have a decent amount of resources and was able to kind of get by. But I think that said, because I was surrounded by such amazing diversity, I think I was able to really understand people and have appreciation for different people, an open-mindedness that I think people in some other areas just don't get. And I think that's one of the most beautiful things about Lynn is that the diversity is so amazing that you really do get to understand people on kind of a deeper level that you can't really teach. I mean, you can teach it, but it's easier if you experience it firsthand, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=73.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd I believe both your parents were born in Lynn. Do you have any sense of either how far back your family goes there or if the neighborhoods where they grew up were similar to one that you grew up in or if they ever talked about how Lynn had changed over the decades?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=263.0,283.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, it's funny, actually. The house that I grew up on, I grew up on, it was called Cook Street in Lynn, and the house I grew up in was actually the same house that my father grew up in. So my grandmother had owned that house and she ended up selling it to my parents. And so when you'd go into the basement, you actually saw their names in the cement from when it was first kind of made. I mean, I don't know if we were the first homeowners, but I know that when we look back, I've even seen, what are those? Those like prayer cards or the obituaries that somebody was like, when they used to do wakes in the homes, it was that same address. And so I know it had been in the family for quite a while, but I think they kind of immigrated and at least on my dad's side, I think they first started in Chelsea and then they came to Lynn. So I can't give an exact year, but I know it does go back to my grandparents on both sides because my grandmother on my maternal side, I have a picture of her graduating in front of Lynn English and her cap and gown, so it goes a ways back in a black and white photo. So it's kind of a running joke that people in Lynn, it's a big city, but it's also small and people don't always go too far. We kind of stay in the surrounding areas, we don't like, we're not the type of people that are like, all right, we're gonna go move to California. I mean, I'm sure some people do, but I think a lot of people stay local and like in my family's case, the GE, the General Electric was a big thing to kind of keep people tied to Lynn because that's where the good union jobs were. And so for people that were able to get into that, a lot of times they didn't leave because it would be hard to find a job that would pay comparable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=283.0,404.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWould you say your home was very religious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=404.0,409.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nNo, no, my family, I actually did go to Catholic school up until second grade and that was more just, I think my mom just wanted to try to give me a private education for a short time, but I actually, I hated it. As soon as I got to public school, I was so happy. And it was a bit of a culture shock because again, I had people, once I got to public school, I had kids in my class that were like, refugees from the Khmer Rouge. And I'm like, \"Oh my God, like this is, they're dealing with a lot.\" But I loved it because it was just, I don't know, I felt more comfortable. And I think, I don't know if it was subconsciously because of just with the religion, I think sometimes when people are different and you feel like with the Catholic Church, it's kind of like, this is how things are, and not for everybody. I don't wanna speak poorly on any religion because I think people believe what they believe and whatever works for you, works for you. But I think as someone who was gay, I think I knew I was different when I was little. And as soon as I got to public school, I just was like, \"Alright, I can just be, people are different and that's okay.\" So yeah, no, my family's not very religious. My grandparents were more, they'd like to go to mass on Sunday, but then I think as time went on, both of my parents, they kind of were like, just happy that, just happy that we're happy, basically. So I was lucky in that respect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=409.0,508.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou mentioned knowing that you felt like you were different when you were little. Do you have a rough estimate at what age that was and what your understanding was at the time of what it meant to be different?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=508.0,524.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, I mean, I think I've noticed it, honestly, as soon as I could like play Barbies with my friends, it was kind of a running joke because my friends would all have the Barbies and they'd be like, \"I want the Barbie with...\", I don't know, \"the nice hair and I want this.\" And I'd be like, \"Just give me Ken. I really don't care. I'm just happy if I can date Barbie.\" You know what I mean? Or we'd play house and I'd be like, \"I'm gonna be the mailman.\" Now, I don't know why, I couldn't be the mailwoman, but I wanted, or the boyfriend, I was always wanting to be the person that was with Barbie. So that's when I kind of caught on and my friends, they would always be like, \"Oh, okay, Denae, you're gonna do that again, right?\" I'm like, \"Yep, that's what I'm gonna do.\" So I think they kind of knew too, but they just were like, \"Oh, well, I'm just happy you're not trying to take my Barbie.\" That's all they cared about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=524.0,579.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd you were the oldest of three siblings. What was your relationship like with them growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=579.0,586.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, so yeah, I am the oldest and I have a brother that's two years younger. And then my sister, she kind of came into the picture later because she was adopted actually. So we have about, I think it's like a 14 year age gap. So I didn't really grow up with her as much. I think I was already a teenager. Again, I was like 13 or 14 when she came into the picture. So at that point, not that I'm already grown, but you're kind of done in terms of your sibling fistfights and things like that, you're past that. Not that that's what we do, but yeah. So I think I had a pretty good childhood with my brother. I think we definitely had that older sister, younger brother dynamic where I joke today that I could still tell him to do something and he'll be like, \"Okay.\" He just kind of, he kind of, I think, listens to me and respects me, but he also always kind of has my back too. And I appreciate that. So no complaints in terms of growing up with my brother. It was typical, we'd read Rough House and play around. And I think one of the things I noticed a lot is that my brother would end up getting toys and things that like, I wanted. And it's not that my parents wouldn't get it for me, but it was like, I was like, \"Oh, I kind of want that wrestling figurine instead of this.\" So it was kind of just, it was a good time. I mean, I can't, no complaints.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=586.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo it sounds as if your folks gave you and your siblings, \"gender normative\" gifts. Did they pick up on the fact that you were less interested in getting those kinds of gifts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=690.0,707.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nI think so. I mean, it's kind of a running joke, but I know my mom told me that, or maybe it was my dad. One of them told me that when I was little, like little, one of them turned to the other one and was like, \"I think she's going to be gay.\" Like they just, it was just, I don't know if it was just cause I was always into kind of, again, more of the like boyish stuff. And I think, they didn't, they weren't opposed to giving me what I wanted. I think it just, as time went on, I wasn't even fully aware of what I wanted until I'd see more of it through my brother. And then I'm like, \"Oh yeah, that's kind of cool. I kind of want that.\" But it just, he had it and then I'd play with it. And then I'm like, \"Oh, now I want one.\" So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=707.0,756.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd your biographical information form indicated that you came out in 1996, when I imagine you were around 14 years old. Can you tell me about that decision?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=756.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, actually, I always joke. I tell people, I'm like, \"I beat Ellen DeGeneres.\" No, I'm kidding, coming out of the closet. But it kind of happened in a little bit of a weird way. There were two things that happened, I think that were pretty big in my life that kind of influenced that. And one was actually my dad, my dad is gay. And he and my mother were together for many years. And he finally, because of how he grew up, he couldn't really come to terms with, times were different back then. And so, when he came out, it was obviously very hard for my mother, but it also was a moment for me to kind of say like, again, I kind of, I felt it, I knew I liked girls, but my father coming out kind of showed me that like, wow, like, I don't want to live a life that I don't want to have. I don't wanna go down that route and then later after the fact say, \"Oops, wish I didn't do that.\" And waste time. So that was one big piece. But then the other piece was I actually had a friend, one of my very good friends. Can I say names or is that not? I don't know. But her name was Julie Brown. She was one of my very good friends. And she kind of, out of the blue, she had juvenile diabetes, but she didn't know it. And she ended up just one day just dying. And her and I were slated to hang out that day. We hung out every day. And so I was 13 when that happened and her dying just out of the blue like that for me being such a young age, it was also like a wake up call. Like, wow, life is really short. And, you know, I kind of felt this urgency of, you know, you have to live every day as though it's your last, you know? And so it was at that moment that I was like, \"You know what, like, this is how I feel. I don't want to hide that. And I don't want to be fake and I don't want to be something I'm not. And I feel like it's important for me to express that regardless of what the consequences are.\" And I also had that added support of knowing that I had my father. So I knew that that support was kind of built in because I knew he wasn't going to reject me because of his situation. And just seeing my mother, you know, obviously it was hard for her, but they were able to kind of remain friends and she still loved him as a human. And so I knew she wasn't going to reject me for that either. So I kind of had two things that pushed me to do that. How it happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=770.0,953.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow did your father come out to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=953.0,956.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nSo I remember he kind of sat my brother, well, the three of them sat us down and I think it was because they were going to be divorcing. I mean, they had to have a conversation with us. And I remember my dad just saying like, you know, cause we wanted to know why, you know? And my dad said \"Have you ever heard the word gay before? Like, do you know what that means?\" I was like, \"Yeah.\" I was like, \"it's like when a boy likes a boy or a girl likes a girl.\" And he was like, \"Yeah.\" He's like, \"Well, that's how I feel, you know?\" And he's like, \"I like boys.\" He's like, \"I love your mom, but I grew up in a different time and I couldn't be myself, you know?\" And so it was a little, I mean, it was hard. Cause obviously when your family dynamic like that changes and there's a divorce, it's obviously a big interruption. But at the same time, when my dad came out, I felt like he was a lot happier. Just even just his appearance, everything. He just seemed more joyful. And, you know, I joke that like, you know, when your parents split up, you're kind of, you go to your dad's on like Friday night or whatever. And it was always kind of like a fun outing. I'm like, \"Oh, what are we doing this week?\" You know, I honestly felt like they were better apart and happier people apart. And so in that case, I didn't feel like the divorce was a bad thing. I kind of was happy about it. So that's how I felt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=956.0,1059.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how did you first learn about Girls Incorporated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1059.0,1066.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYes, so when I was in high school, I think it was my sophomore year of high school. It was like [19]97 or so. And there was a girl in school with me. Her name was Ingrid. And she was working on this, for this hotline called the Teen Line, which was actually a program. It was a volunteer program where teens would provide counseling to other teens who were dealing with mental health issues. And they provided a whole training and everything. And I kind of just wanted to do something and get involved. And so she was, Ingrid was the one who was kind of convincing me saying like, \"Denae I think you should do this. I think you'd really like it.\" So I went down and I applied or whatever, and then I ended up doing it and I really liked it. And I kind of never left Girls Inc[orporated] after that. I just worked my way through the other teen programs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1066.0,1130.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd did you have any particular mentors at Girls Inc[orporated]. that helped you navigate your teen years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1130.0,1138.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYes, definitely. Girls Inc[orporated] was a huge influence. The woman who ran the Teen Line, her name was Beth Anderson. She actually went on to start the Phoenix Charter Academy, which is a pretty cool charter school in Massachusetts. And she was someone who, she was very much into female empowerment and feminism and was just so open in terms of LGBT issues. And she just really kind of taught us to just, she exposed us to different things that we never really thought about, concepts, just, again, feminism. I mean, I'd never really thought much about that. And I think just anyone talking about LGBT issues so openly, it felt like such a safe place. And I think it gave people the courage and permission to come out, or not come out, there weren't a lot of openly gay people outside of the staff, but yeah. Not all the staff was, a couple here and there, but I think just seeing people living authentically and encouraging us to love ourselves and just be ourselves just felt so cool. And it was huge, so that helped.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1138.0,1231.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd did that play into your decision to start G[ay]S[traight]A[lliance] at Lynn English?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1231.0,1237.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, actually, I would say so. So there was, I wasn't the only one who started it. It actually started from a woman named Renee. And she was actually an ally, which I thought was really cool. And actually, she was a teen too. She wasn't a woman, I'm sure she is now. But she was the one who wanted to start it. And she worked on the teen line too. So I knew her through Girls Inc[orporated]. And she was like, \"This is something I wanna do.\" And I think I was, again, one of the only out teens. So she was like, \"Would you wanna help with this?\" And I was like, \"Yeah, definitely.\" And the nice thing is because we had Beth and all the other staff there, they knew of resources like the Safe Schools Initiative. There were a lot of different resources within the state that they were able to help like back us up with. Because when we did try to start things, we did get quite a bit of pushback. And so we kind of needed reinforcements to help us. And they did, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1237.0,1315.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat was the nature of the pushback?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1315.0,1317.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nSo they kind of were just like, you couldn't, it was one of those things where they were like, \"Well, we can't really,\" they were just very nitpicky in terms of what we could put on our posters. And like, \"Do you wanna say it like that way?\" Or like, they just, you could tell they didn't, it was very much like they kind of wanted us to hide away. I think what it was, I think they were afraid of ruffling other people's feathers or other parents. And so it was very much like, \"We'll support you.\" But they were not working with us as easily as we would have liked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1317.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd how did the rest of the student population react to the formation of the club?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1362.0,1367.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYou know, that is actually a funny question. So for a while, we actually did not really have any members. It was kind of funny. We probably only had like, there were only three of us. It was a pretty small group. But one of the nice things I think in my case is that I always talk to everybody. I kind of got along with everybody. So I didn't get really any pushback from the student body. They were all pretty cool. That said, I do know some like out gay guys that got a lot of crap. Just, and I don't know if it was the difference of me being female, them being male or what, but I know that there were some people in school that did have a hard time. And I, again, I don't know if it was just, again, the difference in the gender or what, I don't know. But I wanted to mention that because I didn't want it to seem like it's all rainbows and puppies for everybody. But I did, I remember one moment which was pretty cool was when they were doing the yearbook photos for all the different clubs. And I remember thinking like, \"Oh my God, our club is so sad looking.\" There's probably three of us, right? So I remember I went around to just people of the school, friends of mine, people. And I said, \"You know what? If you guys could do me a favor.\" They're like, \"What?\" And I'm like, \"If you support the club, I want you to get in the picture.\" And they were like, \"Alright.\" So if you look back at that yearbook photo, which again, I think if you go back through all, it was the first one ever, because we created it. The group is huge. And when really there were probably only three of us. So that was pretty cool to see that. And a lot of those people in that photo who maybe were not out at the time, years later, some of them did end up coming out. So I think it was kind of, not for all of them, many were allies, but I think for some people, it was a deeper meaning for them to be in the picture too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1367.0,1491.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nDid you know the exact nature of the \"crap\" that was issued against gay students at your school? Was it verbal abuse, physical abuse?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1491.0,1507.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nDefinitely verbal, like, \"Oh, faggot\" whatever. There was one guy in particular, I'm not gonna say his name, but he got a lot of crap. And I know that, I mean, I can't say what went on behind closed doors, but I imagine in the locker room, he was probably getting crap. And I don't know if it ever got physical, but he's someone that still today, people still give him crap, which is not cool, but I'm not sure what else happened. I just know, I know that he got a lot of crap from people, which is not cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1507.0,1541.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow aware were you of larger political activism in the gay and lesbian community? For example, with AIDS activism or the enormous mourning and consciousness that came out of the Matthew Shepard case, were these kind of larger political issues, things that came up with your club and your peers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1541.0,1569.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, I think more so with Girls, Inc[orporated], I think just because we were so, I don't know. I think I got more of it from the mentors there because we did have a G[ay]S[traight]A[lliance] staff member, but it was just one person and I wasn't with them as frequently, so. But I do think that when I came out, I did educate myself a lot in terms of social justice issues and what was going on in the world and kind of being active in that. Like when Matthew Shepard happened, I was in high school. So that was a big thing and it was scary because you were just like, \"Oh my God, this is so traumatic.\" And I mean, I was in high school when Columbine happened too. So that was when it first happened and we hadn't experienced anything like that, but there was just, it was, yeah, I was very involved. And with Girls Inc[orporated], we were involved a lot for different things. We'd go to the state house, we'd do stuff like that. You know, we went to National Luncheon in New York. We would do different things, but I remember I definitely, when even the gay marriage thing happened, that was after high school, but I did go to the state house. I was out there with my sign. I was writing to my representatives. I, and I remember in high school, following the Defense on Marriage Act things and seeing like, \"Oh, what state, can I maybe have a civil union in?\" and following that very closely. So yeah, I was definitely involved with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1569.0,1676.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo you were, I guess, around 18, around the time that Matthew Shepard was murdered, 19 around the Columbine shootings, and then 21 during the 9/11 attacks. Do you have a sense of those three events being kind of big ruptures in your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1676.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, yeah, I would say so. I think, yeah, I mean, for different reasons. I mean, I think they all kind of shattered your sense of security in different ways. Like for Matthew Shepard, it was like, \"Oh, I could be targeted because I'm a gay person.\" And then with Columbine, it's just like, \"Oh my God, this is so random and scary.\" And like, you know, I never grew up with like the metal detectors or like we didn't have any of that stuff. And so, but at the time I remember thinking like, \"This is just a fluke. Like this is like a one-time thing.\" And they didn't implement a lot of those things until later because I think a lot of people thought the same thing. Like \"This isn't gonna be a pattern.\" And then with 9/11, I think that was just, again, kind of the same thing. Like, \"Well, this is wild and crazy, but like, hopefully it doesn't happen again\" you know? But it was scary. And just like the racism and stuff that came out of that, the Islamophobia, all of that. I think that's, I think when you're just graduating from high school, it's not a way you wanna like start your life. Like, oh, feeling good. Like \"What is going on?\" It's like, it definitely shattered your sense of kind of safety and security. And not that, maybe it was just because I was naive and wasn't aware of all of it, but I think it just felt that much heavier when those events happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1701.0,1805.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nI guess those events can go one of two ways. You talked earlier about the death of a childhood friend from juvenile diabetes and how it gave you a sense of clarity and a wake-up call about kind of what was important to focus on and who you wanted to be. And at the same time, when these horrible events happen, they can kind of spiral into a kind of nihilism or lack of faith in humanity, especially, you know, when they're happening at that kind of critical late teen age. Did this give you more of a sense of a seriousness and a like recommitment to the things that you valued in the world or did it kind of chip away at your optimism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1805.0,1856.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, that's a good question. I think both. I mean, I think in many ways it made me wanna do more. I remember when the Iraq war started, I like picked up and like drove to Washington DC with my friend on a whim so we could protest. So in many ways there's still that passion and I'm not totally disappointed in the world. I mean, I'm disappointed, but I'm not motivated to do anything. So I think, you know, that sparked kind of a passion for that, but at the same time, I feel like as time has gone on, it does become more draining and you do feel more kind of defeated in a lot of ways, unfortunately. But I think I was still young enough that I wanted to make change. And in many ways, I feel like it has been nice to see some of these things come to fruition, like protesting for gay marriage and then seeing gay marriage happen in Massachusetts and then all the other states and then federally, that was huge to see like, wow, like these changes are happening. They're happening slow, but it's happening, you know? And I sometimes feel that way about the trans[gender] rights movement at this point in time, it almost feels like how it felt for me when I was in like high school with the gay marriage. It feels like, okay, we're going in the right direction here. We just gotta keep our eyes on the prize. Just keep going. Change happens incrementally, but don't give up, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1856.0,1974.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo we'll maybe get to some more contemporary issues in a bit, but can I ask if you feel like right now we're continuing to be in a moment of a upward trajectory in terms of, you know, progress and liberation or has any of that been put into question for you over the last few years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1974.0,1997.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, I mean, it's been disheartening to see things like, I mean, like with protesting drag queen story time and just like things that felt so kind of settled, like, okay, the library, that seems like not a big thing, but then you've got like, you know, armed people at, in places in Massachusetts and you're like, \"What is going on?\" So, or like abortion. I mean, I know that that's like the other one where it's like, it felt like this was settled and now it feels like we're back to square one, you know? But that said, I also feel like I see a lot of the younger people and I joke, I like to quote Whitney Houston, but \"I believe the children are our future\" whatever. But it's true because I feel like the young people are the ones that are gonna make the changes, you know? And I think that a lot of the younger people I know when it comes to things like abortion, trans[gender] rights, they're just like, \"Whatever, live your life.\" Like, \"We're just happy that you're doing your thing.\" So I still am hopeful and I still feel like we're on a good path. I just think that like with many things you sometimes take some steps back and then you gotta just keep going forward, you know? That's just my opinion, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=1997.0,2090.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat made you decide that you were interested in studying mental health?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2090.0,2097.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nWell, I think honestly, probably my start at like the Teen Line. I do mental, I mean, my caseload is mental health focused, but my background is vocational counseling. So it's the employment side of things, which I like because I do like helping people, but sometimes I feel like the heavy clinical stuff can just get very depressing and really hard to have like literally people's lives in your hands. That just feels like too much pressure for me. So I kind of like to be on more of the joyful moments for people where they get a job and they're really excited about it, or they wanna start a career, or they've been out of work for a long time and they finally are doing the thing that they wanna do. I think that that makes me feel a little bit more hopeful because you're not dealing with people when they're like low, low, low. Although, you know, my caseload is definitely challenging, but I love the work that I do. And the reason I even got into that is I kind of fell into it. It was after high school and my mom saw an ad[vertisement] and she was like, \"Oh, it's like an employment specialist. Like maybe you wanna do that.\" And I was like, \"Alright, I'll try it.\" And I really liked it and I just never left. I just kept doing it, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2097.0,2175.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd were you much of an activist while you were at North Shore [Community College] or U[niversity of]Mass[achusetts] Boston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2175.0,2184.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nNot in terms of like the campus as much. It was more like I was still doing that work, but a little bit more solo. It wasn't, there was really no good reason. I think part of the issue is because when I went to college, I was working full-time at the same time. So I did, I was involved in some activities, but it was kind of more difficult because I was balancing my time so much because I was working. I think if I had gone to like a four-year school and lived there and stuff, maybe I'd be more involved, but I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2184.0,2224.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd was that a financial decision to commute?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2224.0,2228.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nNo, it was actually both. It was, I had applied to a few schools, but I didn't get in. My grades, I was kind of your like average, C+, B- , kind of student. So I didn't have stellar grades and my SATs weren't great. So I kind of, everything I applied for, they were like, \"You really should go to a community college.\" And it ended up being smart anyway, because you save a lot of tuition for the two years at the community college. And I just, I really enjoyed my time there. So I think it all worked out how it was supposed to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2228.0,2267.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nNow, I just wanna be clear that this next question is not a segue from your commentary about your academic high school record, but when did you first start going to bars in Lynn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2267.0,2281.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nRight, it all started with my grades. I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Honestly, this is gonna sound really sad, but I could not wait to go to bars when I was younger, mainly because there was N[orth shore]A[lliance of]G[ay]L[esbian, Bisexual, and Transgender]Y[outh] thank God, like the young people organization for LGBT youth. But outside of that, I felt like so many of the activities that you could actually get involved in were like you go to a bar or you go to a nightclub. And that was where I kind of was thinking like, \"Oh, that's where I'm gonna meet someone,\" which again, that's the sad part. Like, oh, I have to go to a bar to meet people. But that was kind of the reality. So I remember, as soon as I came out, again, I came out when I was like, 14. So that's still a long way to 21 or like, good Lord, what day is it? You know, like, are we there yet? But thankfully a lot of the, there were quite a few, not a lot, but there were a couple of bars where you could do 18+ or 19+ I think it was 19. So I think it was 18 or 19. I honestly can't remember. But I remember I used to frequent ManRay in Cambridge and Fran's Place in Lynn. Those were my two places. And they did have, you could be under 21. So that was about the time that started. And if they would have let me in earlier, I would have been there earlier. But understandably, they did not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2281.0,2369.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo you were probably aware of Fran's [Place] well before you paid your first visit there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2369.0,2375.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nAbsolutely, yeah. It was just well known. Cause like they had the giant triangle on the outside of the building. And of course it's right across the street from North Shore Community College, too. But I mean, when I was younger, I wasn't at the college, but you just see it. And I remember just like friends being like, \"Yeah, that's the gay bar,\" as soon as I was little. And I just, it was just kind of well known. I remember my grandfather one time I was talking to him and I think I mentioned Fran's Place. He's like, \"I knew Fran.\" I'm like, \"What?\" Like, I don't, again, I don't know much about that, but I remember him saying that. And I thought that was funny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2375.0,2412.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHad your father ever been to Fran's Place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2412.0,2414.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYes. Yep, he had. We had, I don't think we ever went together when I was of age. Oh, maybe, maybe. I don't, I can't remember. But yes, he had in like the [19]90s, I imagine. Would be when he was most likely could go there. [inaudible]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2414.0,2432.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd what was your impression of Fran's when you first went there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2432.0,2438.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nIt was a fun place. It was like, kind of like a dive bar, but it was fun. It was so much fun. Cause you just, they would always have really good music. And I love that they had different theme nights. So they'd have a Latin night. And I love the drag queens. Like I just, they're always my favorite. I always joke. I joke with people that I was a drag queen in a previous life, I think. But, cause I love them so much, but it was just a fun place. It was such a, like a mixed crowd. You'd have young people, you'd have older people, you know, they'd be like, just the music was great. Like I said, later on there was this DJ, you know, who ended up, she recently, Jess French is her name. She actually just recently was the DJ for Maura Healy's inauguration, which was so cool cause she started at Fran's. So it's like, you know, sometimes people just are in this little hole in the wall place. And the next thing you know, they're doing really cool things. So, yeah, it was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2438.0,2513.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd did it feel like a safe place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2513.0,2516.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nIt did. I mean, again, I think like with any place, I mean, you know, occasionally there'd be some silly fight that broke out or something, but I never felt like scared for my life. I would, you know, they had security and they were pretty good about getting the knuckleheads out pretty quickly. So in my experience, I always felt pretty good. I mean, I went there enough that, I never had any horribly traumatic experiences. So it kept me coming back, so, which is good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2516.0,2549.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nThere was never anyone outside of the bar who would harass people when they would go in or out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2549.0,2556.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nNot in my experience. Again, I'm sure at some point that maybe it happened to somebody, but I had not had that happen to me. Maybe I was just there at the right time, but thankfully, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2556.0,2570.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nYou talked a little bit about the diversity in terms of age. Was it also diverse in terms of race and people's class backgrounds?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2570.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, 1000%, You'd have, there'd be like regulars, there'd be, again, young teens who were just happy to be there, like myself. You'd have people that, you know, everything, I mean, different, even abilities. You'd have a person in like a wheelchair. There's just, there was all kinds of different types of people. And what I loved about it is just that it just felt so like, freeing. Like nobody cared. Like you could just kind of be yourself, dance, have a good time, go home. And that was it, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2581.0,2619.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd did all of those different groups interact with one another or would they kind of remain in their own silos?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2619.0,2626.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nI would say they interacted. I mean, you know, I'm sure there were definitely some clicky things from time to time, but, it was in many ways a reflection of Lynn. I mean, it was, you know, it was your classmates, your friends, your, one of the things I remember or is that you would have straight people, gay people, years later after they had closed or whatever, and you just talk about Fran's I'd have just random straight friends, that are like, \"Oh, I loved Fran's, I'd go there all the time.\" I'm like, \"Really?\" Because it was just one of those places that like, it was just, it was fun, you know? And I don't think people really cared about anything. They were just happy to be there. They don't care if you're gay, straight, whatever. You just come in, have a good time. Don't be a knucklehead and enjoy yourself. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2626.0,2679.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow similar was the crowd or the vibe in 47 Central?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2679.0,2685.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nSo 47 Central, I didn't go to as much. I have to be honest. I probably had only been there a handful of times. From what I remember when I was there, again, in my experience, it was a lot of gay men. But again, I honestly can't even speak to it because I wasn't there as much. It was definitely, Fran's was my place, but I do remember it being a fun time though when I went, it was. And I think in terms of diversity, I think the crowd was very similar. It was a mixed group. But when I was there, there happened to be a lot of gay men the night I went. So I don't know if that was just a coincidence or if that was typical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2685.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo Lynn, I'm coming to learn, had many gay and lesbian bars throughout the last 50 or 60 years. Most of those are gone now. Do you have any thoughts about the place of the \"gay and lesbian bar\" in our culture and how and why that might be changing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2730.0,2753.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, I mean, it's kind of sad because I do think it has a place. I think there's something to be said about being in a room full of people that, where you don't, I mean, again, no matter what room you're in there's always gonna be people that may be, there'll be some straight people or whatever. But I think to be in a room and know that these people could potentially, could pretty, are most likely, at least gay friendly. There's something to be said for that. Like when you're trying to meet people or you don't have to sort through it as much, like if you're looking to meet someone or even just comfort, I think there's, I mean, I've obviously been to a lot of straight clubs or things like that. And it's just like, it sucks when you just have people like breathing down your neck, trying to pick you up and you're just like, and again, I guess that could happen at a straight, I mean a gay bar too, but I don't feel like it's as much. It feels much more like, carefree I think in the gay clubs, just relaxing like in my experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2753.0,2830.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhere did you and Betsy meet one another?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2830.0,2833.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nSo we went to, we actually went to Pickering Junior High School together. And then we went to Lynn English together. And then, but we weren't together then. We reconnected at my, at our five-year high school reunion for Lynn English. Because again, I'd come out very early and Betsy didn't come out until like college because she came from a very religious background, like Pentecostal, and it was very, very strict.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2833.0,2865.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nSo I imagine she was not one of those people you recruited for the S[traight]G[ay]A[lliance] picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2865.0,2872.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nNo, no, no, she wasn't in the picture, but she should have been. But no, she wasn't. But she was someone that when I was in junior high school, I thought she was gay. I was like, \"She's going to come out someday.\" And she did. But yeah, yeah, that's where we met. It was at the five-year reunion, which was funny because if you were to tell me like, \"Oh yeah, you're going to end up marrying Betsy from junior high school.\" I'd be like,\"Are you kidding me? There's absolutely no way.\" Life has a funny way of working out, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2872.0,2911.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWould the unlikelihood of that been because of your sense that she wasn't ready for it, or did you just not imagine yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2911.0,2921.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nWell, she was very, she was very goody-goody kind of. She was, you know, Honor Society, like Miss Lynn English High School. She had to wear skirts every day because that was part of the religion. She couldn't dance. There was all these things she couldn't do. And I think that she just wasn't able to be herself really. So I think the way I perceived her wasn't necessarily her, but the way I perceived her was like, I wouldn't be with somebody who can't dance or wear pants or, you know, celebrate Halloween. I don't know, just, it wasn't what I pictured for myself. It wasn't until years later where she was just more herself that, oh, hey, I think I could do this, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2921.0,2974.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nAnd now you're both raising an eight-year-old child who, I hate to break it to you, but will be a teen in five years. Do you have a sense of how similar or different the struggles of teens are today relative to when you were growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2974.0,2995.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nFive years, jeez, you really broke that down for me there. I was like, \"Holy crap.\" Yeah, I think, I mean, I think, honestly, I think one of the biggest challenges are things I worry about. And I think all parents worry about things I worry about. And I think all parents worry about this, but just the ability for her to care for herself given the cost of living and the, what it costs to buy a house. Like all of these things, I feel like they've gotten way out of control and people that normally, you know, could maybe buy a house or whatever. It's like, it's almost out of reach for people. And I think that that worries me is combined with just the world, you know, as it is with the wars that are going on. And, you know, I mean, and a lot of these things have happened throughout history, but I think, you know, it's just scary. You just, you know, you just want them to have a happy, happy life where they're able to live freely and not have to deal with such additional stress. Yes. And how is it different? I mean, I think it's, it's just things, I think, I feel like things were more affordable. I mean, when I was younger, I mean, not ridiculously so, but I feel like it's just gotten worse and worse as time has gone on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=2995.0,3085.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWhat about in terms of acceptance of LGBTQ youth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=3085.0,3091.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, I think, I mean that, I feel like that's getting better. I do think that, I mean, I remember when I was younger, trying to watch like a show with a gay person, I felt like was like looking for a needle in a haystack. I remember Roseanne had like lesbian episodes and you're like, \"Oh my God,\" like you just try to watch it. Or to see a dating show where there happens to be a lesbian person, it was unheard of, you know? So, and still there's a lot of things that could be better, but I think it's gotten better just in terms of seeing yourself reflected in society to see, again, a lot of the young people I know, there's a lot more, I think acceptance and people just being like, \"Oh yeah, that's my friend, like, they use they pronouns.\" I'm like, \"Alright, cool.\" They don't really, not that they don't care. I'm sure there's definitely some people that do care, but that's not what they're worried about. They've got other stuff to worry about, like paying the bills, finding a good job, things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=3091.0,3164.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nHow do you feel about LGBTQ+ as an umbrella organization? So, in other words, to what degree does this kind of umbrella term create solidarity and strengthen numbers among diverse groups? And to what degree, if any, does it maybe erase some of their individual struggles and identities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=3164.0,3194.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nYeah, I think, I mean, I think kind of what you just said. I think you could look at it both ways. I mean, I think ultimately, I do think there's strength in numbers, but I also do understand that there's a lot of division where people in the lesbian community don't feel good about, trans[gender] athletes or what, this just, to me, I am just, I'm perfectly happy with including everybody cause I just think that that is how it should be. I think that, again, the strength in numbers and being able to help back each other up and, and although, that said, there are also some individual differences. I mean, someone who is living or has grown up experiencing a different gender is different than somebody who grows up and has a different sexual orientation. Those are different things and they're different experiences, but don't be an asshole. That's, at the end of the day, that's kind of how I look at it. I feel like there's always, you hear throughout history of the groups of people that are always trying to exclude another group. And then later on, you're like, \"Wow, that was really stupid.\" Like, when you hear about the Women's Movement and when that first started and they were excluding African-American women and then later they were like, \"Oh, whoopsie,\" or like, even the Women's Movement excluding lesbians. I mean, and then, so, I feel like there's always that struggle of people wanting to push someone else down when ultimately it's the same struggle they're dealing with, it's not the exact same struggle, but they're worth supporting because they're human. And at no point in time does that make you better than anybody and you should help them because of the strength in numbers. So that's how I look at it. I really always am just like that treat others the way you want to be treated. I just, that's how I look at it. So I want people to treat me well. I'm gonna treat other people well. And if they need help, I'm gonna help them. So throw in another letter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=3194.0,3348.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andrew Darien\n\nWell, I think that not being an asshole is a very appropriate way to end this interview. I want to thank you for those words of wisdom and, of course, for taking the time to enlighten us about your personal history in Lynn and very grateful for your time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=3348.0,3368.0"},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/transcript/66628/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denae Ramos-Pachucki\n\nThank you. Thank you for your time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931#t=3368.0,3374.022"}]},{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/index/83495","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Danae Ramos-Pachucki index [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://througharainbowlens.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2385/collection_resources/114163/file/216931/index/83495/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's known as a little bit of a rough area. 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